[WIP] Historical Guns Specs

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by gap

What I've understood is that the two tolerance settings are sort of maximum gyroscopic stabilization angles, and that they affect the guns' aim for both AI and human player. If that was true, it would imply that:
1. the higher their value, the steadier the gun, the more accurate its aim;
1. the higher the wind speed, the bigger more noticeable their effect
2. by playing with train/elevation tolerance and speed settings, we can destabilize deck and flak guns without fiddling with trickier parameters

This explanation is much more clearly

Originally Posted by gap

I don't know if Volodya has other requests, though

I don't know.. You are the Chief!

Originally Posted by Rongel

Boost guns is like this: AbilityType=GunsAccuracy, GunsDamage, GunsRange, ShellDrag, ShellSpeed ;increase gun accuracy, damage and range (in percents)

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Another parameter that could affect crew's aiming effciency:

GunsCoef, found in:

data\UPCDataGE\UPCUnitsData\UnitParts?VII?.upc (one file for each playable sub)

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Originally Posted by volodya61

This explanation is much more clearly

except for the fact that I messed up numbers

Originally Posted by volodya61

I don't know.. You are the Chief!

There are no bosses here, we are all colleagues

Out of jokes, I think my work plan collapsed due to the total unreliability (or I should better say: due to the systematic inefficency) of the C30 gun we are testing, even under the most favourable conditions we could think of for it to hit its target.

From what I have seen, under the same conditions, higher caliber guns are by far more efficient (1 shot 1 hit!). If you want, you can start testing on them about the effect of different tolerance settings on their stabilization. In a matter of minutes I will send you a mission where your U-boat is fitted with two 37 mm flak guns (I don't remember which model though) and 1 flakvierling.

EDIT:

here it is:

http://rapidshare.com/files/20022559...20Missions.rar

select the type VIIC/41 for your tests, and try playing with diffrent tolerance factors and wind speeds/directions. Try also adjusting crew rating, if needed. IIRC, it is currently maxed out...

[Trevally.]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...2&postcount=61

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Originally Posted by Trevally.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...2&postcount=61

Thank you Trev, I will have a close look at that thread!

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by gap

here it is:

OK.. I took it..

the .sim files to edit are 37mmM, 37mmSA, 37mmTSA and Vierling.. am I right?

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Originally Posted by volodya61

OK.. I took it..

the .sim files to edit are 37mmM, 37mmSA, 37mmTSA and Vierling.. am I right?

absolutely

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by gap

absolutely

will report the results later..

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Added Reworked Morale & Abilities by Rongel to the compatibility list in post #1

Moreover, I added a list of "dinosaurs", whose features could be partly ported to the present mod, if permission is given by their authors. They include:

• Wamphyri's Plane Attack Mod by Wamphyri
• Funelsmoke, Planes and Sounds by AOTD_MadMax
• Rückkehr der Asse by AOTD_MadMax.

Anyone wanting to have a closer look at them? Their download links are mostly inactive, but I have all of them on my HD

[THE_MASK]

off topic , would you know which cam is for your avatar ?
Silent Hunter 5\data\Library\cameras.cam

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Originally Posted by sober

off topic , would you know which cam is for your avatar ?
Silent Hunter 5\data\Library\cameras.cam

No idea

[Rongel]

Originally Posted by gap

Thank you Rongel, it helps a lot indeed!

By the way: where are these settings found?

I guess you have found them already, but in data/UPCDataGE/UPCCrewData/SpecialAbilities.upc

Do you happen to know if the crew veterancy settings in custom mission do have the same effect as passive abilities in campaign? I am induced to think so, since there are 5 ability levels in campaign and 5 veterancy levels in mission...

No idea, sorry!

P.S: have you seen what I said about gun's stabilization in my previous post? I know you have fiddled a lot in an attempt to destabilize player's guns....

Ugh, that was my first attempts at modding, didn't work out, and can't remember anything, maybe the old thread will be more helpful!

About the torpedo malfunctions... yesterday I tested different values like crazy and got good results. It seems all the other malfunction types work like they should, so there is a point making this mod.

Torpedo can prematurely explode when using magnetic detonation, it can be a dud (hit and not detonate), it can deviate from it's course or it can be a circle runner. I haven't tested the depth keeping, but I hope it works too.

It seems also that the different date-settings work on all other malfunctions except TDW's duds. Only problem is now that duds don't work on imported ships, and that the dud values don't change when war progresses. Otherwise it looks alright, except that testing these is sooo slowwww....

Back to reading!

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Originally Posted by Rongel

I guess you have found them already, but in data/UPCDataGE/UPCCrewData/SpecialAbilities.upc

No, I didn't. Thank you!

Originally Posted by Rongel

No idea, sorry!

Another point blank question: Do you know if there are similar (crew veterancy depandant) settings for AI guns?

Originally Posted by Rongel

About the torpedo malfunctions... yesterday I tested different values like crazy and got good results. It seems all the other malfunction types work like they should, so there is a point making this mod.

Torpedo can prematurely explode when using magnetic detonation, it can be a dud (hit and not detonate), it can deviate from it's course or it can be a circle runner. I haven't tested the depth keeping, but I hope it works too.

Definitely good news!

Originally Posted by Rongel

It seems also that the different date-settings work on all other malfunctions except TDW's duds.

That's good news also: it means that TDW could possibly fix his patch when, hopefully, he will be back. Fingers crossed...

Originally Posted by Rongel

Only problem is now that duds don't work on imported ships, and that the dud values don't change when war progresses.

Wonder if the dud-immune dat ships issue can be fixed either. On the other hand I wouldn't worry too much about it, since one day these ships will be converted into GR2 units... or at least we hope so

Regarding the date-specific damage settings not being apllied, and your suggestion to duplicate the existing torpedoes, I know Silentmichael is currently attempting to do the same (cloning a GR2 file). I asked him to keep in touch whenever he discovers anyhing new, and I am sure he will assist us when it will be our turn to do the same

Originally Posted by Rongel

Otherwise it looks alright, except that testing these is sooo slowwww....

Yes, I can understand you. I hate like you the long waiting times.
Talking about it, are torpedo malfunctions applied in outside the campaign? Testing them in custom mission could speed up a bit the whole process...

[Rongel]

Originally Posted by gap

Another point blank question: Do you know if there are similar (crew veterancy depandant) settings for AI guns?

No idea again, I guess picking veterancy level in mission editor affects it, but now idea how.

Regarding the date-specific damage settings not being apllied, and your suggestion to duplicate the existing torpedoes, I know Silentmichael is currently attempting to do the same (cloning a GR2 file). I asked him to keep in touch whenever he discovers anyhing new, and I am sure he will assist us when it will be our turn to do the same

Ok, good to hear!

Talking about it, are torpedo malfunctions applied in outside the campaign? Testing them in custom mission could speed up a bit the whole process...

Yep, testing malfunctions in custom missions!

I have now gathered some info on the malfunctions. Bottom line seems to be that in the start of the war the torpedoes were really unreliable, G7e was even worse than the old G7a. Both magnetic and contact pistols were faulty, but magnetic pistol was almost unusable. Malfunction percent was something like 30%-40%. Magnetic pistol torpedoes detonated prematurely or passed the ships bottom, and contact pistol torpedoes had serious depth keeping problems. Some torpedoes steered of course or in rare cases were "circle runners". Actual duds weren't the biggest issue. Torpedo problems culminated in the Operation Weserubung where almost every torpedo failed. At this time Germans worked hard to figure out the problems and some real improvements were made.

During the "Happy Times" (late may - the end of 1940) things were better, magnetic pistol was abandoned completely (and not used before 1942 again) and AZ impact detonation was used. AZ pistol was improved by now and the depth keeping problem was reduced.

Thats what I have learned now! So at start of the war we need to have really lousy torpedos, and improve them already in the middle of 1940! To be continued...

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Originally Posted by Rongel

I have now gathered some info on the malfunctions. Bottom line seems to be that in the start of the war the torpedoes were really unreliable, G7e was even worse than the old G7a.

Really? I was convinced that the opposite was true

Originally Posted by Rongel

Both magnetic and contact pistols were faulty, but magnetic pistol was almost unusable. Malfunction percent was something like 30%-40%. Magnetic pistol torpedoes detonated prematurely or passed the ships bottom, and contact pistol torpedoes had serious depth keeping problems. Some torpedoes steered of course or in rare cases were "circle runners". Actual duds weren't the biggest issue.

Excellent, or rather... awful
By chance could you extract from your readings some approximate percentage figures for each specific malfunction type?

Originally Posted by Rongel

Torpedo problems culminated in the Operation Weserubung where almost every torpedo failed. At this time Germans worked hard to figure out the problems and some real improvements were made.

Regarding Operation Weserubung, I remember having read that German magnetic deonators didn't like the vicinity to the polar north; in addition, the disturbance on magnetic fields by the Norwegian Fjords could have contributed as well. But indeed there is no way that we can simulate it in game.

Originally Posted by Rongel

During the "Happy Times" (late may - the end of 1940) things were better, magnetic pistol was abandoned completely (and not used before 1942 again) and AZ impact detonation was used. AZ pistol was improved by now and the depth keeping problem was reduced.

Thats what I have learned now! So at start of the war we need to have really lousy torpedos, and improve them already in the middle of 1940! To be continued...

I am eagerly looking forward for the next chapter. Keep on your great work, Rongel!