Breaking news: Powell endorses Obama - Page 2

bookworm_020 · 10-19-08, 08:05 PM

It will be damaging to McCain, but I doubt that it will have a major influance on republican voters as Powell doesn't seem to have much swing with them, as for undecided voters, it could be a different story.

JHuschke · 10-19-08, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Pfah, I bet he's voting for Obama just because he's black

No ****!

Obama kept saying.."we will Spread the Wealth". Yeah, give those blacks that got no jobs and 50 kids money so they can buy themselves new jaguars and more 9 milimeters.

I saw a black guy at a grocery store, he had a welfare card and used it, he had a white guy carry the grocery cart to put groceries in the back of his brand new yellow jaguar! Unbelievable.

CCIP · 10-19-08, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by G00BER

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Pfah, I bet he's voting for Obama just because he's black

No ****!

Obama kept saying.."we will Spread the Wealth". Yeah, give those blacks that got no jobs and 50 kids money so they can buy themselves new jaguars and more 9 milimeters.

I saw a black guy at a grocery store, he had a welfare card and used it, he had a white guy carry the grocery cart to put groceries in the back of his brand new yellow jaguar! Unbelievable.

Your rhetoric here is what I find unbelievable. I'm tempted to violate Godwin's law again

August · 10-19-08, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by G00BER

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Pfah, I bet he's voting for Obama just because he's black

No ****!

Obama kept saying.."we will Spread the Wealth". Yeah, give those blacks that got no jobs and 50 kids money so they can buy themselves new jaguars and more 9 milimeters.

I saw a black guy at a grocery store, he had a welfare card and used it, he had a white guy carry the grocery cart to put groceries in the back of his brand new yellow jaguar! Unbelievable.

Save your racist nazi crap for your skin head pals. That stuff don't cut it here.

PeriscopeDepth · 10-19-08, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by G00BER

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Pfah, I bet he's voting for Obama just because he's black

No ****!

Obama kept saying.."we will Spread the Wealth". Yeah, give those blacks that got no jobs and 50 kids money so they can buy themselves new jaguars and more 9 milimeters.

I saw a black guy at a grocery store, he had a welfare card and used it, he had a white guy carry the grocery cart to put groceries in the back of his brand new yellow jaguar! Unbelievable.

Everybody that lives in the South should have to leave it at least once. And vice versa.

PD

Konovalov · 10-20-08, 03:37 AM

This endorsement will help swing some if not many undecided voters. The explanation and reasons given by Powell appeared genuine. Indeed in my view what Powell said was an accurate assessment of the failings of the McCain campaign and McCains lack of judgement on both the economy and the selection of Palin.

Powell sums it up pretty well for me with these honest and at the end powerfull words:

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And I've also been disappointed, frankly, by some of the approaches that Senator McCain has taken recently, or his campaign ads, on issues that are not really central to the problems that the American people are worried about. This Bill Ayers situation that's been going on for weeks became something of a central point of the campaign. But Mr. McCain says that he's a washed-out terrorist. Well, then, why do we keep talking about him? And why do we have these robocalls going on around the country trying to suggest that, because of this very, very limited relationship that Senator Obama has had with Mr. Ayers, somehow, Mr. Obama is tainted. What they're trying to connect him to is some kind of terrorist feelings. And I think that's inappropriate.

Now, I understand what politics is all about. I know how you can go after one another, and that's good. But I think this goes too far. And I think it has made the McCain campaign look a little narrow. It's not what the American people are looking for. And I look at these kinds of approaches to the campaign and they trouble me. And the party has moved even further to the right, and Governor Palin has indicated a further rightward shift. I would have difficulty with two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration. I'm also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members of the party say. And it is permitted to be said such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president? Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, "He's a Muslim and he might be associated terrorists." This is not the way we should be doing it in America.

I feel strongly about this particular point because of a picture I saw in a magazine. It was a photo essay about troops who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one picture at the tail end of this photo essay was of a mother in Arlington Cemetery, and she had her head on the headstone of her son's grave. And as the picture focused in, you could see the writing on the headstone. And it gave his awards--Purple Heart, Bronze Star--showed that he died in Iraq, gave his date of birth, date of death. He was 20 years old. And then, at the very top of the headstone, it didn't have a Christian cross, it didn't have the Star of David, it had crescent and a star of the Islamic faith. And his name was Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan, and he was an American. He was born in New Jersey. He was 14 years old at the time of 9/11, and he waited until he can go serve his country, and he gave his life. Now, we have got to stop polarizing ourself in this way. And John McCain is as nondiscriminatory as anyone I know. But I'm troubled about the fact that, within the party, we have these kinds of expressions.

caspofungin · 10-20-08, 05:16 AM

just wanted to ask the americans' opinion -- should powell have run for president? would he be a better candidate than either mccain or obama?

CCIP · 10-20-08, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by caspofungin

just wanted to ask the americans' opinion -- should powell have run for president? would he be a better candidate than either mccain or obama?

He could have, but his direct association with the Bush administration and especially his infamous presentation on how Iraq undoubtedly had WMDs would have still probably cost him many votes in the more moderate crowds, while his general position would probably not sit well with the conservatives (and the liberals we can count out here by default). He's a very sharp guy, but I don't think he had any realistic chance of being nominated this time around. Even for a VP slot, he wouldn't have been a good bet.

Tchocky · 10-20-08, 06:18 AM

I was wondering if Powell would implicitly back Obama.

Turns out he doesn't do anything by halves

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"I'm also troubled by, not what Sen. McCain says, but what members of the party say, and it is permitted to be said such things as: "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is: he is not a Muslim. He's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is: What if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is: No, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some 7-year-old Muslim-American kid believing he or she can be president?"

THat shouldn't be a noteworthy statement.

Oh, and looking around the interwebs, there seem to be a
lot of angry people, most taking Mikhayl's joke seriously.

Von Tonner · 10-20-08, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Konovalov

This endorsement will help swing some if not many undecided voters. The explanation and reasons given by Powell appeared genuine. Indeed in my view what Powell said was an accurate assessment of the failings of the McCain campaign and McCains lack of judgement on both the economy and the selection of Palin.

Powell sums it up pretty well for me with these honest and at the end powerfull words:

Quote:

And I've also been disappointed, frankly, by some of the approaches that Senator McCain has taken recently, or his campaign ads, on issues that are not really central to the problems that the American people are worried about. This Bill Ayers situation that's been going on for weeks became something of a central point of the campaign. But Mr. McCain says that he's a washed-out terrorist. Well, then, why do we keep talking about him? And why do we have these robocalls going on around the country trying to suggest that, because of this very, very limited relationship that Senator Obama has had with Mr. Ayers, somehow, Mr. Obama is tainted. What they're trying to connect him to is some kind of terrorist feelings. And I think that's inappropriate.

Now, I understand what politics is all about. I know how you can go after one another, and that's good. But I think this goes too far. And I think it has made the McCain campaign look a little narrow. It's not what the American people are looking for. And I look at these kinds of approaches to the campaign and they trouble me. And the party has moved even further to the right, and Governor Palin has indicated a further rightward shift. I would have difficulty with two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration. I'm also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members of the party say. And it is permitted to be said such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president? Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, "He's a Muslim and he might be associated terrorists." This is not the way we should be doing it in America.

I feel strongly about this particular point because of a picture I saw in a magazine. It was a photo essay about troops who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one picture at the tail end of this photo essay was of a mother in Arlington Cemetery, and she had her head on the headstone of her son's grave. And as the picture focused in, you could see the writing on the headstone. And it gave his awards--Purple Heart, Bronze Star--showed that he died in Iraq, gave his date of birth, date of death. He was 20 years old. And then, at the very top of the headstone, it didn't have a Christian cross, it didn't have the Star of David, it had crescent and a star of the Islamic faith. And his name was Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan, and he was an American. He was born in New Jersey. He was 14 years old at the time of 9/11, and he waited until he can go serve his country, and he gave his life. Now, we have got to stop polarizing ourself in this way. And John McCain is as nondiscriminatory as anyone I know. But I'm troubled about the fact that, within the party, we have these kinds of expressions.

That reference Powell made to Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan hopefully will make those who give home to discriminatory thoughts pause to think. It certainly made me look in on myself.

Here is a link to info on Rashad.
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/krkhan.htm

Digital_Trucker · 10-20-08, 07:45 AM

On a totally different note, does anyone find it coincidental that shortly after Powell announces his endorsement, Obama announces his intention to have Powell as an advisor?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...n_N.htm?csp=34

Yes, I know the headline says could, make sure to read the quote. I wonder how Colin would feel about being an advisor alongside Franklin Raines, Tim Howard and Jim Johnson?

Skybird · 10-20-08, 07:45 AM

the day of shame.

that's when Powell lost me. A man of integrity would have confronted or - if forced to - even left government before willing to participate in that ridiculous fake show.

Konovalov · 10-20-08, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

even left government before willing to participate in that ridiculous fake show.

I have yet to see any evidence to show that the Bush Administration knowingly lied about WMD's. Are you implying that President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and then Secretary of State Powell lied to the American people and indeed lied to the world in presenting what you term as a "fake show" to the United Nations Security Council?

Skybird · 10-20-08, 10:12 AM

Aussie humour, I assume.:hmm:

August · 10-20-08, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Aussie humour, I assume.:hmm:

August's Skybird translating service:

"That's an uncomfortable question so i will try to laugh it off".

10-19-08, 08:05 PM	#16
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	It will be damaging to McCain, but I doubt that it will have a major influance on republican voters as Powell doesn't seem to have much swing with them, as for undecided voters, it could be a different story. __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

10-20-08, 07:45 AM	#26
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	On a totally different note, does anyone find it coincidental that shortly after Powell announces his endorsement, Obama announces his intention to have Powell as an advisor? http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...n_N.htm?csp=34 Yes, I know the headline says could, make sure to read the quote. I wonder how Colin would feel about being an advisor alongside Franklin Raines, Tim Howard and Jim Johnson? __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

10-20-08, 07:45 AM	#27
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,615 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	the day of shame. that's when Powell lost me. A man of integrity would have confronted or - if forced to - even left government before willing to participate in that ridiculous fake show. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-20-08, 10:12 AM	#29
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,615 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Aussie humour, I assume.:hmm: __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-20-08, 05:16 AM	#22
caspofungin Commander Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	just wanted to ask the americans' opinion -- should powell have run for president? would he be a better candidate than either mccain or obama?