Good news, this is my last post here about politics. - Page 3

10-12-08, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

And just as much fun to say "I told you so" when your moment of glory turns into a total disaster like the last two democratic presidents.

Speaking of disasters....

http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...rica_to_survey

Hylander_1314 · 10-12-08, 03:32 PM

But dude, as long as you stayed with the facts, it was cool. Nothing great ever came from just noddin' and agreein'. Just like the founders did in the Constitutional Convention of 1791. Many heated debates there, but they stayed focused on the issues at hand. The only thing I can think of, is the "name calling" type of stuff that errupted. No matter who started it, it's always ugly. Just stick with the facts man, you did good that way. I enjoyed it, even if we disagreed fundimentally. That's the best part of being an American. To think and be different. To have dissenting ideas and not have to worry about it in mind and person. Just don't let anyone bait you, and don't do it to anyone else. That's not goin' in with the gloves on. It's goin' in well informed for strategic purposes.

Frame57 · 10-13-08, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

After watching it in several threads over one day, I cannot really understand what all the fuss about Flamingboat'S original posting that called up mod's attention is about, because there have been much more serious and offending incidents with far more vitriol and aggression - that were accepted to just pass by unmoderated, but shouldn't have. This lack of moderation is one of the main reasons why my personal ignore list is so full today, and it all is names who turned into personal verbal aggression. I miss both constancy, and at times unbiased balancing of standards that decide wether somebody gets warned and called back, or not.

And no, I am not calling it personal offense if somebody disagrees with me. The callibre I speak of is being accused of regretting you cannot send people into the gas chambre if they disagree with you, as happened some weeks ago - a comment that I really took with anger and will not forgive nor forget: compared to comments like that, Flamingboat's deed is almost harmless. And there happenes much more at times that although being worse than Flaminboat, raises no moderation at all.

One can disagree in things, and one can be clear about one'S opinion, and defend it, without turning unpolite, bullying others, and using offending and overly aggressive language that tries to hurt on the personal level and give others a bad name as a substitute for giving argument. One must not mistake an abstract discussion with an insult aimed at the personal level. I know that that can be done, because I experience that time and again in PM and emails, and talks about both relgion and politics - even with people who disagree with me, and nevertheless it almost always is a civil and frendly conversation. Some people in forums nevertheless seem to think if the other cannot grab them and confront them directly over their bad behavior, this is card blanche to misbehave and turning rude and use what they consider to be tough and male language (where in fact it is just expression of their intellectual helplesness).

As long as moderation does not show more consistency in this regard, I still recommend to ban all discussions in the GT forum that are about religion, and in principle: politics as well. Even climate has proven to be a potentially inflamatory issue, and others could be imagined. Since then a ban of one thing seem to lead to more bans of others, maybe it is better to have more constant moderating, and leave it to announcements that certain themes are discouraged.

The advise to simply leave bullies alone and not reacting to them, means nothing else than to leave the board to them and see it degenerating. We have a saying in german, " the more clever man gives way/der Klügere gibt nach". But the simple truth is that by that rule the stupid rule the world. It would be a shame to see this forum going down that way.

Who are you to recommend what is banned or not???

Digital_Trucker · 10-13-08, 08:37 AM

Maybe SkyBird should look up the definition of the word forum:

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a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas

from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forum

Skybird · 10-13-08, 09:38 AM

Hm? War was...?

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Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	But dude, as long as you stayed with the facts, it was cool. Nothing great ever came from just noddin' and agreein'. Just like the founders did in the Constitutional Convention of 1791. Many heated debates there, but they stayed focused on the issues at hand. The only thing I can think of, is the "name calling" type of stuff that errupted. No matter who started it, it's always ugly. Just stick with the facts man, you did good that way. I enjoyed it, even if we disagreed fundimentally. That's the best part of being an American. To think and be different. To have dissenting ideas and not have to worry about it in mind and person. Just don't let anyone bait you, and don't do it to anyone else. That's not goin' in with the gloves on. It's goin' in well informed for strategic purposes. __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,665 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Hm? War was...? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.