Good news, this is my last post here about politics.

[Monica Lewinsky]

Originally Posted by Flamingboat

Mods told me to be silent so I will respect their wishes. I see all the inflamatory rhetoric is trolling when it's a liberal doing it. Oh well I do realize liberal military sim gamers are an extremely small minority to say the least.

Look at this:

http://learnabit.homeserver.com/lab/..._line_ever.wmv

before your ban.

Ali Babba Obama has all the answers to everything.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Monica Lewinsky

Look at this:

http://learnabit.homeserver.com/lab/..._line_ever.wmv

before your ban.

Ali Babba Obama has all the answers to everything.

Stop your hostility

[stabiz]

If its the real Lewinsky I understand the beef towards Democrats.

[Monica Lewinsky]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Stop your hostility

Ali Babba Obomba done something wrong?

According to him. he has the answers to EVERYTHING.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Monica Lewinsky

Look at this:

http://learnabit.homeserver.com/lab/..._line_ever.wmv

before your ban.

Ali Babba Obama has all the answers to everything.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:That's GREAT!!!!

Now reflect that in the late 30's and up until after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Republicans were a bunch of head in the sand isolationists at best and Nazi sympathizers, led by Charles Lindberg, at worst. It was Democrats who stood up for this country and the world, declaring that they were willing to pay the price that history demanded of them.

In the leadup to the war, President Roosevelt risked sure impeachment and conviction if his actions to import the British secret service and half of their government into the United States was ever discovered. Churchill was able to prevent Britain from throwing in with the Nazis in large part because of Roosevelt's courageous, secret and very illegal support. King Edward did not abdicate because of the "woman he loved" he abdicated because he was a Nazi sympathizer who would have allied Britain with Germany. Churchill brokered the abdication and his flight to Canada just for that reason. Source: A Man Called Intrepid.

It would be stupid to write off Democrats as permanently the party of the socialist, tree hugging pansies.

First, they aren't pansies. If they are successful in withdrawing from Iraq and if Al Queda strikes the US again, you will never imagine a fiercer and more final attack than they will launch. The Republican war has been a patty cake war. You ain't seen how its done until the Democrats receive the predictable result of telegraphing weakness.

Although they talk the socialist line, they are pragmatists. When confronted with hard reality they will do the right thing. There are no socialists in an economic storm. Socialism can only survive amidst capitalist prosperity, living as a parasite. Look at the changes in Europe right now, going more conservative just about everywhere.

And their anti-capitalist tree hugging ways will change as private enterprise finds ways to be more environmentally friendly without all of us living in caves. Solutions always come from capitalist private enterprise, not government. After the problem is solved, government falls into step and tries to claim credit, most of the time doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.

We're not talking about the eventual result, only the price tag.

[Diopos]

Got my chinese delivery last night
Opened my fortune cookie ...
It said:
"Never post more then once on a GT forum during an US election"

Well I had my chance....

[Skybird]

After watching it in several threads over one day, I cannot really understand what all the fuss about Flamingboat'S original posting that called up mod's attention is about, because there have been much more serious and offending incidents with far more vitriol and aggression - that were accepted to just pass by unmoderated, but shouldn't have. This lack of moderation is one of the main reasons why my personal ignore list is so full today, and it all is names who turned into personal verbal aggression. I miss both constancy, and at times unbiased balancing of standards that decide wether somebody gets warned and called back, or not.

And no, I am not calling it personal offense if somebody disagrees with me. The callibre I speak of is being accused of regretting you cannot send people into the gas chambre if they disagree with you, as happened some weeks ago - a comment that I really took with anger and will not forgive nor forget: compared to comments like that, Flamingboat's deed is almost harmless. And there happenes much more at times that although being worse than Flaminboat, raises no moderation at all.

One can disagree in things, and one can be clear about one'S opinion, and defend it, without turning unpolite, bullying others, and using offending and overly aggressive language that tries to hurt on the personal level and give others a bad name as a substitute for giving argument. One must not mistake an abstract discussion with an insult aimed at the personal level. I know that that can be done, because I experience that time and again in PM and emails, and talks about both relgion and politics - even with people who disagree with me, and nevertheless it almost always is a civil and frendly conversation. Some people in forums nevertheless seem to think if the other cannot grab them and confront them directly over their bad behavior, this is card blanche to misbehave and turning rude and use what they consider to be tough and male language (where in fact it is just expression of their intellectual helplesness).

As long as moderation does not show more consistency in this regard, I still recommend to ban all discussions in the GT forum that are about religion, and in principle: politics as well. Even climate has proven to be a potentially inflamatory issue, and others could be imagined. Since then a ban of one thing seem to lead to more bans of others, maybe it is better to have more constant moderating, and leave it to announcements that certain themes are discouraged.

The advise to simply leave bullies alone and not reacting to them, means nothing else than to leave the board to them and see it degenerating. We have a saying in german, " the more clever man gives way/der Klügere gibt nach". But the simple truth is that by that rule the stupid rule the world. It would be a shame to see this forum going down that way.

[Dowly]

Come on Flamingboat! Keep it up! Your posts are great to read.

[Morts]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Come on Flamingboat! Keep it up! Your posts are great to read.

i agree

Originally Posted by Dowly

Come on Flamingboat! Keep it up! Your posts are great to read.

Thanks for your support. My philosophy has been to jump in and duke it out with those who don't agree with me. I don't learn anything on a liberal board where we all nod and agree with each other.

Like I said, I'll respect the mods. No they didn't say shut it, just cool it. Well, frankly I don't know how to fight with gloves on, so it is best for me to be silent. My southern redneck past will never fully leave me, and well, like my dad said "the only fair fight is the one you win".

Really there isn't much "debate" about this election to be honest. The whole world knows how it's going to end! It's just fun to irritate the right wingers over here from the left, since we have been waiting 8 years for our moment of glory. That's why the democratic primary was so intense, we knew whoever was the democratic nominee would be president, period. From the past few weeks on it's just been the media trying to make it look heated.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Flamingboat

It's just fun to irritate the right wingers over here from the left, since we have been waiting 8 years for our moment of glory.

And just as much fun to say "I told you so" when your moment of glory turns into a total disaster like the last two democratic presidents.

[DiverDan]

Originally Posted by Flamingboat

Thanks for your support. My philosophy has been to jump in and duke it out with those who don't agree with me. I don't learn anything on a liberal board where we all nod and agree with each other.

Like I said, I'll respect the mods. No they didn't say shut it, just cool it. Well, frankly I don't know how to fight with gloves on, so it is best for me to be silent. My southern redneck past will never fully leave me, and well, like my dad said "the only fair fight is the one you win".

Really there isn't much "debate" about this election to be honest. The whole world knows how it's going to end! It's just fun to irritate the right wingers over here from the left, since we have been waiting 8 years for our moment of glory. That's why the democratic primary was so intense, we knew whoever was the democratic nominee would be president, period. From the past few weeks on it's just been the media trying to make it look heated.

I haven't read your past posts, but it sounds like I would probably agree with your views, BUT, there are SO many other places to discuss politics with anyone and everyone. I find it refreshing to come here and "escape" from the real world by reading fun and helpful information on playing my favorite game. I can start an argument anywhere, but here, it's nice to see people with a common interest. That's all I'm saying... why not consider why you're here to begin with?

Just my 2 cents worth!

[Frame57]

Originally Posted by Skybird

After watching it in several threads over one day, I cannot really understand what all the fuss about Flamingboat'S original posting that called up mod's attention is about, because there have been much more serious and offending incidents with far more vitriol and aggression - that were accepted to just pass by unmoderated, but shouldn't have. This lack of moderation is one of the main reasons why my personal ignore list is so full today, and it all is names who turned into personal verbal aggression. I miss both constancy, and at times unbiased balancing of standards that decide wether somebody gets warned and called back, or not.

And no, I am not calling it personal offense if somebody disagrees with me. The callibre I speak of is being accused of regretting you cannot send people into the gas chambre if they disagree with you, as happened some weeks ago - a comment that I really took with anger and will not forgive nor forget: compared to comments like that, Flamingboat's deed is almost harmless. And there happenes much more at times that although being worse than Flaminboat, raises no moderation at all.

One can disagree in things, and one can be clear about one'S opinion, and defend it, without turning unpolite, bullying others, and using offending and overly aggressive language that tries to hurt on the personal level and give others a bad name as a substitute for giving argument. One must not mistake an abstract discussion with an insult aimed at the personal level. I know that that can be done, because I experience that time and again in PM and emails, and talks about both relgion and politics - even with people who disagree with me, and nevertheless it almost always is a civil and frendly conversation. Some people in forums nevertheless seem to think if the other cannot grab them and confront them directly over their bad behavior, this is card blanche to misbehave and turning rude and use what they consider to be tough and male language (where in fact it is just expression of their intellectual helplesness).

As long as moderation does not show more consistency in this regard, I still recommend to ban all discussions in the GT forum that are about religion, and in principle: politics as well. Even climate has proven to be a potentially inflamatory issue, and others could be imagined. Since then a ban of one thing seem to lead to more bans of others, maybe it is better to have more constant moderating, and leave it to announcements that certain themes are discouraged.

The advise to simply leave bullies alone and not reacting to them, means nothing else than to leave the board to them and see it degenerating. We have a saying in german, " the more clever man gives way/der Klügere gibt nach". But the simple truth is that by that rule the stupid rule the world. It would be a shame to see this forum going down that way.

Who are you to recommend what is banned or not???

[Digital_Trucker]

Maybe SkyBird should look up the definition of the word forum:

a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas

from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forum

[Skybird]

Hm? War was...?