Merchant Fleet Mod Progress Thread - Page 3

geosub1978 · 09-21-08, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Geosub, S3D comes in last position in the ship building process, before having to use it you need to build a 3D model + textures. This can be learned on a lot of website, there's plenty on tutorials that you can find with google, and plenty of video tutorials on youtube too.

You missed my point.

If I (and others probably) could stay in front of the computer searching the internet and this forum all the way back to 1998 compiling things, then after 1-2 years, or maybe much sooner who knows, we could become supermoders. If this is the case now then OK.

What I have asked is a tutorial in SH3 SHIBUILDING from experienced people of this forum to those who really want to get involved with it for our beloved SH3. Forget about S3D anyway! If there is not such a tutorial then the shipmoders will be only those who bigboywooly mentioned until they get bored!

I also don't mean that above mentioned moders have enough time for shipbuilding anywhen we want. What I mean is what I repeat:
...the circle has already been discovered for SH3!!!

My God I love this game!

iambecomelife · 09-21-08, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Yeah and you missed mine

S3D is specific to SH3 & 4, 3D modelling is not. And the best way to find 3D modelling tutorials is on 3D tutorial websites and youtube, not on subsim. Why would people here spend hours to write something that you can find after a 30 seconds google search ?

There's a basic tutorial for SH3 ship modeling that I wrote a while ago - I will see if I can find it.

@Nautilus - nice job; I like the hull texture on the 2nd one. And awning frames are fun to make. :rotfl:

geosub1978 · 09-21-08, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Yeah and you missed mine

S3D is specific to SH3 & 4, 3D modelling is not. And the best way to find 3D modelling tutorials is on 3D tutorial websites and youtube, not on subsim. Why would people here spend hours to write something that you can find after a 30 seconds google search ?

You still miss it. Wait and see. Anyway.

09-21-08, 01:22 PM

@ nautilus42

I built several units for GWX 2.1
BBW propably knows better then me which one's they are!
:rotfl:
NTRW,
Tacoma1939,
Colony1939,

I remember those.
Feel free to use them if you need to.

VonDos · 09-21-08, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Of course there is still Von Dos and yourself that continue
Iambecome also
Apologies to anyone else i forgot

Thanks for mentioning me

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Still
If you have multiple installs as I and many others do its easy to take ships from WAC\LSH3\GWX and add to YOUR OWN install
Giving yourself a greater choice of units
Sinking mechanics may vary but easy to do

And they works very fine!

Regards, Von
(always busy on semi-secrets works :rotfl: :rotfl: )

PS
@ IAMBECOMELIFE: Waiting for your final fleet release! Keep up your huge, great, awesome work!!

nautilus42 · 09-22-08, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by privateer

@ nautilus42

I built several units for GWX 2.1
BBW propably knows better then me which one's they are!
:rotfl:
NTRW,
Tacoma1939,
Colony1939,

I remember those.
Feel free to use them if you need to.

Thanks privateer

skwasjer · 09-22-08, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by geosub1978

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Yeah and you missed mine

S3D is specific to SH3 & 4, 3D modelling is not. And the best way to find 3D modelling tutorials is on 3D tutorial websites and youtube, not on subsim. Why would people here spend hours to write something that you can find after a 30 seconds google search ?

You still miss it. Wait and see. Anyway.

There's no point in starting to learn shipbuilding with S3D (or other tools) without knowledge of 3D in general. S3D may look complex, but that's probably because said 3D-knowledge is lacking. Just simply (inherited) transformations (translation and rotations) with matrices is a mathematical concept you must first understand. At least to a certain extent. How models and texture mapping works, must first be understood as well. This is just to get the basic model set up. Even if you have a 'ready-to-use' ship from another game, you will still need to understand these fundamentals. Otherwise, you are bound to fail.

What Mikhayl means is (I guess), to bring all external 3D assets together with S3D requires at least intermediate knowledge of 3D technology, which would not be the scope of such a shipbuilding tutorial. There's plenty online tutorials of that kind already available.

That said, I do agree with you some more step-by-step tutorials on how to create a new SH-ship are definately neccessary. They don't need to discuss the general 3D technology, just how to set up a DAT-file correctly, incl. AI-behavior/armament/zoning, etc (which could be seperated tutorials). The problem is, it's alot of work and not very appealing to make to most

geosub1978 · 09-22-08, 11:44 AM

This is exactly what I want to say.

The point is that there is some disapointment/frustration here about the future because some things are depented on certain people and the rest just enjoy the products. Well, not all of us have the skill to do this for many reasons, not because we are idiots and we cannot use some software or because we are bored. Building a ship from point 0 without external help is impossible as you need tooooooo much time to obtain the knowledge how to do it (generally and for SH3 as well), which there is not . If we could bypass some steps with some help then I would DEFENETLY offered you something. And there are people here who can provide that help through some lessons/tutorials as there are such things for other kinds of mods.
That's all.

G.K. · 09-23-08, 10:58 AM

This thread should be sticky...:hmm:

Hitman · 09-23-08, 02:28 PM

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This thread should be sticky...:hmm:

Ouch....me idiot have been reading it with great interest since the announcement yet failed to think of that

Solved

G.K. · 09-23-08, 03:31 PM

BTW, since this thread has appeared i spend most of my free time here, looking at 2 merchants on the front page...

Would be happy to have some 10 or more to look at... And I guess I m not alone

bigboywooly · 09-23-08, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by G.K.

BTW, since tis thread has appeared i spend most of my free time here, looking at 2 merchants on the front page...

Would be happy to have some 10 or more to llok at... And I guess I m not alone

No you are not alone
Iambecome has been teasing us for years lol
He has released a couple though but we all wait for the pack

G.K. · 09-23-08, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Quote:

Originally Posted by G.K.

BTW, since tis thread has appeared i spend most of my free time here, looking at 2 merchants on the front page...

Would be happy to have some 10 or more to llok at... And I guess I m not alone

No you are not alone
Iambecome has been teasing us for years lol
He has released a couple though but we all wait for the pack

Yes, this and XXIII is the reason why am I going to try NYGM after finishing GWX 2.0 career...

Sailor Steve · 09-23-08, 11:46 PM

I think when the pack is released you will find it appearing everywhere, including stock and GWX.

geosub1978 · 09-24-08, 12:37 AM

And WAC!!

09-22-08, 11:44 AM	#38
geosub1978 Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Salamis Base Posts: 567 Downloads: 229 Uploads: 0	modeling This is exactly what I want to say. The point is that there is some disapointment/frustration here about the future because some things are depented on certain people and the rest just enjoy the products. Well, not all of us have the skill to do this for many reasons, not because we are idiots and we cannot use some software or because we are bored. Building a ship from point 0 without external help is impossible as you need tooooooo much time to obtain the knowledge how to do it (generally and for SH3 as well), which there is not . If we could bypass some steps with some help then I would DEFENETLY offered you something. And there are people here who can provide that help through some lessons/tutorials as there are such things for other kinds of mods. That's all. __________________

09-23-08, 10:58 AM	#39
G.K. Loader Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Anchoring at Vltava River, Czech Republic Posts: 84 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	This thread should be sticky...:hmm: __________________ http://silenthunter.cz/forum Proud officer of the biggest Czech SH Community

09-23-08, 03:31 PM	#41
G.K. Loader Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Anchoring at Vltava River, Czech Republic Posts: 84 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	BTW, since this thread has appeared i spend most of my free time here, looking at 2 merchants on the front page... Would be happy to have some 10 or more to look at... And I guess I m not alone __________________ http://silenthunter.cz/forum Proud officer of the biggest Czech SH Community Last edited by G.K.; 09-23-08 at 04:01 PM.

09-23-08, 11:46 PM	#44
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I think when the pack is released you will find it appearing everywhere, including stock and GWX. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

09-24-08, 12:37 AM	#45
geosub1978 Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Salamis Base Posts: 567 Downloads: 229 Uploads: 0	And WAC And WAC!! __________________

09-21-08, 01:22 PM	#34
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	@ nautilus42 I built several units for GWX 2.1 BBW propably knows better then me which one's they are! :rotfl: NTRW, Tacoma1939, Colony1939, I remember those. Feel free to use them if you need to.