[REL] Dark Waters

[KaleunMarco]

fifi,

i encountered this CTD twice using the same technique. i am hoping you can point me in the right direction to fix it.

it's March-April 1944. I am driving a Type 9D2 out of Penang.
the mission is four days off the southeast coast of Africa. i believe it is Africa-South-Sink-03.
on/about april 1, a three ship TF is heading approx 075 just south of the Mozambique channel. 2 escorts and the Richelieu.
i torpedo the BB and she sinks and then very shortly thereafter, Bang, CTD. it happened twice so at least there is some consistency. the CTD happened just after the ship went down because the event viewer popped up and then went away and then came the CTD.

what do you think went awry?

km

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[WH4K]

Originally Posted by Fifi

Yes best is to keep the IXD2, nothing has been done for those type XXIII

Unfortunate fact. Last time I played DW I was "awarded" a XXIII. And told to do Atlantic convoy patrols with it. There's just enough Diesel aboard to get stranded on the way to Iceland.

[Mad Mardigan]

Don't know the stats on the Type XXIII, right off the top of My head... but... with Type II-D, I extended the fuel by running submerged for as long as I could.. then would do a check of the are by sonar, then periscope.. once determined all clear, I'd surface.

After that, would run the diesels to do a recharge of batteries until daylight...

& rinse and repeat...

Dunno if that'll help with the XXIII... but.. is something to consider... that & avoid going all out balls to the wall surfaced... only thing I can think of as a suggestion...

M. M.

[WH4K]

No, the XXIII simply is too small for Atlantic patrols. There's no way to "stretch" the fuel supply.


It's a very small boat. Should only be sent on coastal patrols.


If you're managing to extend your boat's range by using the batteries, then the game's modeling is broken. You should use up extra fuel by recharging the batteries.

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by WH4K

No, the XXIII simply is too small for Atlantic patrols. There's no way to "stretch" the fuel supply.

It's a very small boat. Should only be sent on coastal patrols.

If you're managing to extend your boat's range by using the batteries, then the game's modeling is broken. You should use up extra fuel by recharging the batteries.

Running diesels, just idling... Yes, idling will use fuel.. yet, don't use diesel fuel as prodigiously as engaging them for speed... again, as far as I know of.

If the tanks on the Type XXIII are indeed smaller than those on the Type II-D, then all bets are off.

M. M.



Ok, just found some info on both subs...

Range:

IID :

5,650 nmi (10,460 km; 6,500 mi) at 8 knots (15 km/h; 9.2 mph) surfaced

56 nmi (104 km; 64 mi) at 4 knots (7.4 km/h; 4.6 mph) submerged

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Type XXIII :

2,600 nmi (4,800 km; 3,000 mi) at 8 knots (15 km/h; 9.2 mph) surfaced

194 nmi (359 km; 223 mi) at 4 knots (7.4 km/h; 4.6 mph) submerged

The Type II-D, outclassed the Type XXII, when it came to surfaced range.. where as the Type XXIII, outclassed the Type II-D, when it came to submerged range. Around 3.5 times the range submerged...

All I know is.. I was able to do the run submerged, surface & recharge & was able to make it out to the mid Atlantic, do the mission objective, & start back for base... & make it back to base, with around 1/4 or less of the tanks loaded with fuel.

The area in question, was just off to the SW of England... rough guess.. it was some time back... what I do know & recall was.. that was the means I used to achieve the objective.

[WH4K]

When idling the diesels, you aren't moving. No free lunch (increase in range).



Yes, Type XXIII range is sufficient to technically touch the Atlantic. It's not enough to do a Mid-Atlantic patrol, trolling for convoys, which is what I was assigned. I ran completely out of fuel somewhere past Iceland. That should be fixed if anyone's doing an update to DW.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by WH4K

Unfortunate fact. Last time I played DW I was "awarded" a XXIII. And told to do Atlantic convoy patrols with it. There's just enough Diesel aboard to get stranded on the way to Iceland.

yes, i understand.

i was playing DW in the Far East where the distances to patrol are great.
the XXIII is definitely a regional boat, great for the Med, or the Baltic or possibly even the Arctic. the fact that is carries only two torpedoes is another reason to use it close to some kind of support-base in order to re-arm.

Originally Posted by WH4K

When idling the diesels, you aren't moving. No free lunch (increase in range).
Yes, Type XXIII range is sufficient to technically touch the Atlantic. It's not enough to do a Mid-Atlantic patrol, trolling for convoys, which is what I was assigned. I ran completely out of fuel somewhere past Iceland. That should be fixed if anyone's doing an update to DW.

well, you can update/mod the range to whatever you like but that takes the "realistic fun" out of the game. if one mods the range to make the XXIII be more like the range of Type 7 then why not increase the torpedo load-out to 10 or 12 or even 16 torpedoes? i am being facetious here.

the point is that we (modders) have misunderstood something about the boat-upgrade-process and that it why we have fleet subs being "upgraded" to regional subs simply because they are newer, but not more capable, boats. i might take a look at this when i finish my current career.

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by WH4K

When idling the diesels, you aren't moving. No free lunch (increase in range).



Yes, Type XXIII range is sufficient to technically touch the Atlantic. It's not enough to do a Mid-Atlantic patrol, trolling for convoys, which is what I was assigned. I ran completely out of fuel somewhere past Iceland. That should be fixed if anyone's doing an update to DW.

WH4K,

Ouch...

Ok, now I have a clearer understanding of the orders you received.

You got orders it sounds like for way further out into the mid Atlantic, than I got.

with that being the case, then the mission is untenable...

With regards to idling, I never attributed doing so, to any range addition.. it was with regards to only doing so, to recharge the batteries, so I could continue My own foray into the objective area, so as to attempt to complete it.

In that, I was modestly successful in accomplishing that, but.. it was a near thing in doing so. I could have easily ran into trouble that damaged the diesel reserves I had, then I'd of been in a extremely tight pickle, as it were.

Needless to say, I then did a faux transfer to a Type VII, by creating a new career, aptly named with the same Kaleun, but in a VII & continuing on.. minus the tonnage I had achieved in the II-D, I did however, keep a running tally on My tonnage in a note pad I kept handy. (for My own records, for posterity)

A shame that the ability to go from 1 u boat to another, is not fully available in DW's.. but that aside.. it can be done, as I did... just not officially by the games 'score keeping', if you will. The only 1 that knows, is but your own self... which speaking just for Myself, I can live with that.

Hopefully, it can be explored to be able to do so, in game... at some point in time.

Yes, I know that some Kaleun's did not make it due to being sunk & died as an end result (or by other ways, such as being killed by an attacking aircraft while surprised on the surface or by deck gun fire... but.. I seem to recall that a very small few, did. Looks like I might go digging through info & history to check on that...



It may be possible, to go back to a save prior to being awarded or accepting the Type XXII & just staying on with the Uboat you had at that time... I leave that up to you to do or not do... that is , provided you do have a save just before docking.

I do wish you success, Herr Kaleun WH4K...

Fair winds, smooth seas & plentiful targets.

M. M.

[WH4K]

Right, what I meant by "fixed" is to not assign a tiny coastal-range boat to intercept Atlantic-crossing convoys.


That's just gonna end in tears.


It would be neat if bombers with Leigh lights were simulated. Beyond SH4's ability I am given to understand, although the ships do have trainable searchlights.

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by WH4K

Right, what I meant by "fixed" is to not assign a tiny coastal-range boat to intercept Atlantic-crossing convoys.


That's just gonna end in tears.


It would be neat if bombers with Leigh lights were simulated. Beyond SH4's ability I am given to understand, although the ships do have trainable searchlights.

Would be understandable, if you were in a Type II, to get upgraded to a Type XXIII.

In that light... it would be understandable to get that, as an upgrade.... not getting it as an upgrade from say... a Type VII or Type IX.

M. M.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by Mad Mardigan

Would be understandable, if you were in a Type II, to get upgraded to a Type XXIII.

In that light... it would be understandable to get that, as an upgrade.... not getting it as an upgrade from say... a Type VII or Type IX.

M. M.

that's what i had in mind.

[macanudo]

Danke Her Kaleun

[KaleunMarco]

so, here i am in Penang. driving a Type 9D2. Seven missions completed.
It's September 1, 1944 when i enter port after my last mission.
as i submit my gripe list to the base repair officer, i sneak a peek at my next mission. check this out. (rather than insert a graphic that would be hard to read, i am inserting the text from the Careertrack.upc)

[CareerTrack 1.CareerStatusLast]
ID=ID
Reason=CSS_LastStatus
NameDisplayable=NULL
CurrentDate=1944-09-01 20:59:49
...
PatrolStartDateTime=1944-08-30 00:00:00

Now that is really tough on the time schedules and deadlines.
i wonder what the repair officer will say when i tell him he has to be finished with my repairs three days ago so that i can leave on patrol 2 days ago.

and i am not going to predict what my valiant crew will say when i tell them not only will they NOT get leave but that we have to sail two days ago while we are still on our last mission.

seig heil and all of that.

[Captain Reyes]

[Boche]

Hello there fellow Kaleuns, ive got a question. im in a VIIC date May 1943 and ive got a FuMo 30 radar onboard but it doesnt seem to work. Anyone know whats up with the radar?


Thank you!