[REL] Dark Waters

[WH4K]

No, the XXIII simply is too small for Atlantic patrols. There's no way to "stretch" the fuel supply.


It's a very small boat. Should only be sent on coastal patrols.


If you're managing to extend your boat's range by using the batteries, then the game's modeling is broken. You should use up extra fuel by recharging the batteries.

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by WH4K

No, the XXIII simply is too small for Atlantic patrols. There's no way to "stretch" the fuel supply.

It's a very small boat. Should only be sent on coastal patrols.

If you're managing to extend your boat's range by using the batteries, then the game's modeling is broken. You should use up extra fuel by recharging the batteries.

Running diesels, just idling... Yes, idling will use fuel.. yet, don't use diesel fuel as prodigiously as engaging them for speed... again, as far as I know of.

If the tanks on the Type XXIII are indeed smaller than those on the Type II-D, then all bets are off.

M. M.



Ok, just found some info on both subs...

Range:

IID :

5,650 nmi (10,460 km; 6,500 mi) at 8 knots (15 km/h; 9.2 mph) surfaced

56 nmi (104 km; 64 mi) at 4 knots (7.4 km/h; 4.6 mph) submerged

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Type XXIII :

2,600 nmi (4,800 km; 3,000 mi) at 8 knots (15 km/h; 9.2 mph) surfaced

194 nmi (359 km; 223 mi) at 4 knots (7.4 km/h; 4.6 mph) submerged

The Type II-D, outclassed the Type XXII, when it came to surfaced range.. where as the Type XXIII, outclassed the Type II-D, when it came to submerged range. Around 3.5 times the range submerged...

All I know is.. I was able to do the run submerged, surface & recharge & was able to make it out to the mid Atlantic, do the mission objective, & start back for base... & make it back to base, with around 1/4 or less of the tanks loaded with fuel.

The area in question, was just off to the SW of England... rough guess.. it was some time back... what I do know & recall was.. that was the means I used to achieve the objective.

[WH4K]

When idling the diesels, you aren't moving. No free lunch (increase in range).



Yes, Type XXIII range is sufficient to technically touch the Atlantic. It's not enough to do a Mid-Atlantic patrol, trolling for convoys, which is what I was assigned. I ran completely out of fuel somewhere past Iceland. That should be fixed if anyone's doing an update to DW.

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by WH4K

When idling the diesels, you aren't moving. No free lunch (increase in range).



Yes, Type XXIII range is sufficient to technically touch the Atlantic. It's not enough to do a Mid-Atlantic patrol, trolling for convoys, which is what I was assigned. I ran completely out of fuel somewhere past Iceland. That should be fixed if anyone's doing an update to DW.

WH4K,

Ouch...

Ok, now I have a clearer understanding of the orders you received.

You got orders it sounds like for way further out into the mid Atlantic, than I got.

with that being the case, then the mission is untenable...

With regards to idling, I never attributed doing so, to any range addition.. it was with regards to only doing so, to recharge the batteries, so I could continue My own foray into the objective area, so as to attempt to complete it.

In that, I was modestly successful in accomplishing that, but.. it was a near thing in doing so. I could have easily ran into trouble that damaged the diesel reserves I had, then I'd of been in a extremely tight pickle, as it were.

Needless to say, I then did a faux transfer to a Type VII, by creating a new career, aptly named with the same Kaleun, but in a VII & continuing on.. minus the tonnage I had achieved in the II-D, I did however, keep a running tally on My tonnage in a note pad I kept handy. (for My own records, for posterity)

A shame that the ability to go from 1 u boat to another, is not fully available in DW's.. but that aside.. it can be done, as I did... just not officially by the games 'score keeping', if you will. The only 1 that knows, is but your own self... which speaking just for Myself, I can live with that.

Hopefully, it can be explored to be able to do so, in game... at some point in time.

Yes, I know that some Kaleun's did not make it due to being sunk & died as an end result (or by other ways, such as being killed by an attacking aircraft while surprised on the surface or by deck gun fire... but.. I seem to recall that a very small few, did. Looks like I might go digging through info & history to check on that...



It may be possible, to go back to a save prior to being awarded or accepting the Type XXII & just staying on with the Uboat you had at that time... I leave that up to you to do or not do... that is , provided you do have a save just before docking.

I do wish you success, Herr Kaleun WH4K...

Fair winds, smooth seas & plentiful targets.

M. M.

[WH4K]

Right, what I meant by "fixed" is to not assign a tiny coastal-range boat to intercept Atlantic-crossing convoys.


That's just gonna end in tears.


It would be neat if bombers with Leigh lights were simulated. Beyond SH4's ability I am given to understand, although the ships do have trainable searchlights.

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by WH4K

Right, what I meant by "fixed" is to not assign a tiny coastal-range boat to intercept Atlantic-crossing convoys.


That's just gonna end in tears.


It would be neat if bombers with Leigh lights were simulated. Beyond SH4's ability I am given to understand, although the ships do have trainable searchlights.

Would be understandable, if you were in a Type II, to get upgraded to a Type XXIII.

In that light... it would be understandable to get that, as an upgrade.... not getting it as an upgrade from say... a Type VII or Type IX.

M. M.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by Mad Mardigan

Would be understandable, if you were in a Type II, to get upgraded to a Type XXIII.

In that light... it would be understandable to get that, as an upgrade.... not getting it as an upgrade from say... a Type VII or Type IX.

M. M.

that's what i had in mind.