Getting frustrated by Escorts, What am i doing wrong???

[vdr1981]

Originally Posted by Spraki

I thought I was the only one, but I did noticed this too.

Especially on patrol boats. I could be anywhere, and they'd circle over my head perfectly for hours. And usually, I have the "detected" music playing the whole time. ,_,

This is only an issue when I am not detected. Once it does happen, it is like the enemy has a double agent on my boat with a beacon >_>.

But oh well. The only real way to survive is not to poke the escorts at all. This does feel like my initial SH2 days, where stealth suddenly went poof and I ended up getting nuked by magic depth charges.

Sometimes I do feel that we aren't talking about the same game here...

"Double agent" on your boat is probably your sound signature. I don't know why is so hard to understand that enemy warships have hydro capabilities as well...

[XenonSurf]

I remember in SH1 the patrol ships had the tactic to shut down their engines and wait for you on the surface, also to go away from you at some speed and return at max speed


For knowing what they do exactly in SH5 one can put all contacts and sonar cones on in the TAI with the Option Editor. I did so a month ago and even then it was a hard time to evade...

[H0ggyd0g]

Thanks for the replies guys. I'm guessing the best defence as always is to avoid being detected at all!

The thing about the escorts communicating sounds right. As one or two of them do DC runs there always seems to be at least one standing off almost standing still. Guess he is listening and then redirecting the other boats.

In regards to my noise signature I have two questions.

1. Is the thermocline modelled in SH5 and if so at what depth would I find it at in various areas?

2. Could minor damage to my boat cause extra noise?

[vdr1981]

Originally Posted by H0ggyd0g

Thanks for the replies guys. I'm guessing the best defence as always is to avoid being detected at all!

The thing about the escorts communicating sounds right. As one or two of them do DC runs there always seems to be at least one standing off almost standing still. Guess he is listening and then redirecting the other boats.

Exactly! When destroyer is static or moving very slow she can hear you on a short range even if you're on full silent running. So, sometimes is better to descent as deep as possible, stop all engines and simply act as a hole in the water...

In regards to my noise signature I have two questions.

1. Is the thermocline modelled in SH5 and if so at what depth would I find it at in various areas?

Yes, but you won't see much use of it because the thermal layer is not so "shallow". Still, when it comes to SH5, deeper is always better...

2. Could minor damage to my boat cause extra noise?

Of course, especially if you have leaking...

[KirinFrost]

just go as deep as you can and move at most 1knot per hr lol

although i dont use WOS regularly but this tactic generally seem to work

alternatively just stay still and only surface for oxygen at night before going back down

there were a couple of times whereby i surfaced and sailed away from destroyers at night at full speed though....

[XenonSurf]

Oh and:

I think all SH games have a weird behavior: Avoid going at high TC if you hide, if you go x16 or x32 you are fine, but go higher and destroyers will 'magically' detect you and comming towards you from nowhere...
Happens mainly if you are damaged already.

In SH1, SH3 this applies. In SH5 I don't know, I haven't tested it fully yet.

[KirinFrost]

Originally Posted by XenonSurf

Oh and:

I think all SH games have a weird behavior: Avoid going at high TC if you hide, if you go x16 or x32 you are fine, but go higher and destroyers will 'magically' detect you and comming towards you from nowhere...
Happens mainly if you are damaged already.

In SH1, SH3 this applies. In SH5 I don't know, I haven't tested it fully yet.

sounds a lot like a bug

[Spraki]

Originally Posted by vdr1981

Sometimes I do feel that we aren't talking about the same game here...

Ditto.

"Double agent" on your boat is probably your sound signature. I don't know why is so hard to understand that enemy warships have hydro capabilities as well...

Really? I could've sworn it was one of my crewmen playing drumsticks on my reserve torps.
XD


Regarding that TC bug, I wouldn't be surprisesd if sh5 also had some of it. I tend to reset TC back to 1x by going over the threshold for a sec. You do get 64x for a sec.

Anywaaaaaays

[jonny_bass26]

One thing I've found - don't know if it'll be of any help to anyone, but still - is the importance of "silent running". Even if you're crawling along at 1kt (or even stopped) at 240m, with no reloading or damage or anything going on...if you haven't pressed that pesky Z key (by default), you might as well have a brass band on board, piped up to any and all nearby escorts. For all I know, that's what they're doing...*unless* you specifically tell them not to.

[XenonSurf]

Originally Posted by jonny_bass26

One thing I've found - don't know if it'll be of any help to anyone, but still - is the importance of "silent running". Even if you're crawling along at 1kt (or even stopped) at 240m, with no reloading or damage or anything going on...if you haven't pressed that pesky Z key (by default), you might as well have a brass band on board, piped up to any and all nearby escorts. For all I know, that's what they're doing...*unless* you specifically tell them not to.

Silent Running doesn't help me very much. It helps before you are detected the first time, and you need to switch off Battlestation command. Once you are detected, I find that silent running is useless, it doesn't make any difference, I have tested this with all activated enemy detection cones: They don't get smaller (tested with IRAI 0.41, but in TWoS this may have been tweaked differently.)