Open letter to the NFL players...read and share

u crank · 10-25-17, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

That is my quick, drunken, Finnish explanation of it as I understand it.

I guess that is better than no explanation.

Dowly · 10-25-17, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank

I guess that is better than no explanation.

I gave you explanation, you chose to ignore it. Right there post #7, you seem to have missed it.

Commander Wallace · 10-25-17, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

I gave you explanation, you chose to ignore it. Right there post #7, you seem to have missed it.

U crank wasn't debating the merits of the pros and cons of kneeling during an anthem. U crank was saying the comment " go play in a minefield was uncalled for. I also agree.

To be fair, I don't think these players meant to be disrespectful but rather wanted to call attention to an unequal application of the law. It just back fired on these players in how they chose to make their feelings known and the forum in which they chose to do it.

Dowly · 10-25-17, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

U crank wasn't debating the merits of the pros and cons of kneeling during an anthem. U crank was saying the comment " go play in a minefield was uncalled for. I also agree.

He asked me to explain myself, I did. Read the posted replies before answering. It is not rocket science, I explained myself did I?

August · 10-25-17, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

He asked me to explain myself, I did. Read the posted replies before answering. It is not rocket science, I explained myself did I?

Thing is Dowly you have a habit of wishing a gruesome death on forum members. Such very personal insults have no place in the forum and you know it.

Dowly · 10-25-17, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Thing is Dowly you have a habit of wishing a gruesome death on forum members. Such very personal insults have no place in the forum and you know it.

That's what, the 3rd time you try to bait me? Neal, Mods?

Oh wait, immunity, sorry forgot.

PS. Sources for those "gruesome" deaths?

PPS. Before any moderation action is taken, I would really like to see August post some examples of me "wishing a gruesome death on forum members" (plural). Thank you.

Buddahaid · 10-25-17, 08:25 PM

Dowly, it boils down to who the "you" is you're referring to when you wrote "How about you go play on a minefield".

Commander Wallace · 10-25-17, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

He asked me to explain myself, I did. Read the posted replies before answering. It is not rocket science, I explained myself did I?

I did read it. I suggest you look at your post when you are sober as you explained in post # 7 that you were in your own words, " druken. " "Perhaps you should refrain from posting in the Subsim Forums when you are in such a state. It may save you a lot of grief. You simply just wanted to pick a fight with U Crank who is probably one of the most even keeled members here.

I believe the reason the thread was posted Dowly was to invite a thoughtful discussion, not what you all too frequently do. By the way Dowly,

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Originally Posted by CaptainCruise

Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut and never posted this. After reading all the replies I'm sorry I said anything. Next time I'll keep my opinions to myself.

You didn't do anything wrong as the letter you posted as part of your thread was a sobering reminder of the sacrifices made by our people in uniform like the military. As mentioned, you were inviting an open, honest and intelligent discussion on a current news Item that the U.S and it's citizens are grappling with.

Unfortunately for the players, what was meant to be a protest against unfair applications of the law was derailed or morphed into a protest against the country which is not what the players were trying to accomplish.

By the way CaptainCruise, I thought this was a great thread that you started and very timely. Nice job.

CaptainCruise · 10-26-17, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

You didn't do anything wrong as the letter you posted as part of your thread was a sobering reminder of the sacrifices made by our people in uniform like the military. As mentioned, you were inviting an open, honest and intelligent discussion on a current news Item that the U.S and it's citizens are grappling with.

Unfortunately for the players, what was meant to be a protest against unfair applications of the law was derailed or morphed into a protest against the country which is not what the players were trying to accomplish.

By the way CaptainCruise, I thought this was a great thread that you started and very timely. Nice job.

Thanks for the prop. I think I needed one. Felt like I got clubbed a bit!

I don't know about the boycott that the original author of this post is asking for. I get the feeling this person is current military, or the family of someone in the military or maybe family of a soldier who was KIA'ed, and they're venting their emotions any way they feel they can. It's asking a lot, and I don't see a lot of people being that committed to going through with a boycott like this, but some will do it, and maybe that was the goal....at least turn a few heads.

As for the players, I'll say it again.....yes, they absolutely have the right to protest and make their feelings known. The issue they created here is choosing how you voice your opinions without starting a whole new problem. There are right ways and wrong ways to speak your mind and protest an injustice. I think they chose the wrong path to follow because now it seems like they've created more problems than what they started with by choosing something as touchy as disrespecting the National Anthem and the flag. Maybe they felt that would get them the most attention to their cause, or maybe they feel the flag and Anthem are symbols of what they believe is wrong with this country. Honestly, I don't know. It's a confusing issue. I would have to say what I believe the most is that they should have found a better way to voice their opinions without inflaming the situation. As u crank mentioned earlier in this thread....they have money, power, media exposure, they had plenty of options to choose a better voice for their cause, they just chose poorly and started a whole new problem. Instead of getting the public to rally to their cause, they turned many away and it will probably make this whole nightmare more difficult to resolve.

Rockstar · 10-26-17, 07:44 PM

“It (“Feliciano's rendition) was a disgrace, an insult,” a baseball fan, Arlene Raicevich of Detroit, told The Associated Press. “I’m going to write my senator about it.”

“It sounded like a hippie was singing it,” said another Detroiter, Bernie Gray.

Pitcher Dick Hughes said: “Thumbs down all the way. That’s a conformist’s song and should be sung the way it was written.” (We should add, there is no official version.)

But their teammate Tim McCarver said: “Why not that way? People go through a routine when they play the anthem. They stand up and yawn and almost fall asleep. This way, at least they listened.”

In the 1950s, the Baltimore Orioles, of all teams, decided that playing "The Banner" before every game cheapened its impact. The general manager at the time decided that he was going to only play it during special occasions.

Onkel Neal · 10-25-17, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

U crank wasn't debating the merits of the pros and cons of kneeling during an anthem. U crank was saying the comment " go play in a minefield was uncalled for. I also agree.

I agree also, very nonconstructive comments like this belong on a youtube comments section, not here. Dowly, please consider being less disrespectful of the other members of this forum.

Tom, you have every right to express your thoughts on the matter with getting sucker punched, carry on.

Rockstar · 10-25-17, 05:56 PM

Those NFL players, even drunken Finlanders have every right to peacefully protest. Not too long ago Kapernick took a knee in peaceful protest of perceived injustice. Now the very reason he took a knee has been swept under the rug and forgotten. Hijacked by so called patriots accusing him and others of being un-American for not venerating an inanimate object.

vienna · 10-26-17, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Those NFL players, even drunken Finlanders have every right to peacefully protest. Not too long ago Kapernick took a knee in peaceful protest of perceived injustice. Now the very reason he took a knee has been swept under the rug and forgotten. Hijacked by so called patriots accusing him and others of being un-American for not venerating an inanimate object.

How does that saying go?: "Patriotism is the last refuge of...?"; oh what was that word?... Oh yes, "Trumpettes"...

I'm sometimes surprised Trump doesn't burst into flames when he hugs the Flag...

<O>

u crank · 10-26-17, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Those NFL players, even drunken Finlanders have every right to peacefully protest.

That is true and as it should be. But when and where? These guys are on the job and highly paid when they are doing this. Imagine if you will, being confronted by this kind of thing everyday and all day as you attempt to buy goods and services. It would not be tolerated. The players are getting away with it because the NFL is letting them. The NFL is disrespecting their customers and should expect the full force of the rights of consumers to complain about it. I hope this national boycott of the NFL on the Veterans Day Weekend is a huge success. After all everybody has the right to protest ...don't they?

Rockstar · 10-26-17, 08:05 AM

Like I said I believe the original intent had nothing to do with disrespecting fans, customers, flags, or country. It had everything to do with one mans belief, real or perceived, of injustices towards others. And when it started to snowball into something about the flag instead. I think that elicited other Americans to protest with him and now they too are demonized.

The reason for this peaceful protest appears to have been entirely disregarded and forgotten. Sadly the argument is no longer about why he did what he did. Its now about the fact he did, how he should be ashamed for such a deed and cursing the NFL for not firing him sooner.

10-26-17, 08:05 AM	#15
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Like I said I believe the original intent had nothing to do with disrespecting fans, customers, flags, or country. It had everything to do with one mans belief, real or perceived, of injustices towards others. And when it started to snowball into something about the flag instead. I think that elicited other Americans to protest with him and now they too are demonized. The reason for this peaceful protest appears to have been entirely disregarded and forgotten. Sadly the argument is no longer about why he did what he did. Its now about the fact he did, how he should be ashamed for such a deed and cursing the NFL for not firing him sooner. Last edited by Rockstar; 10-26-17 at 09:02 AM.

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Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Dowly, it boils down to who the "you" is you're referring to when you wrote "How about you go play on a minefield". __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

10-26-17, 07:44 PM	#10
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	“It (“Feliciano's rendition) was a disgrace, an insult,” a baseball fan, Arlene Raicevich of Detroit, told The Associated Press. “I’m going to write my senator about it.” “It sounded like a hippie was singing it,” said another Detroiter, Bernie Gray. Pitcher Dick Hughes said: “Thumbs down all the way. That’s a conformist’s song and should be sung the way it was written.” (We should add, there is no official version.) But their teammate Tim McCarver said: “Why not that way? People go through a routine when they play the anthem. They stand up and yawn and almost fall asleep. This way, at least they listened.” In the 1950s, the Baltimore Orioles, of all teams, decided that playing "The Banner" before every game cheapened its impact. The general manager at the time decided that he was going to only play it during special occasions.

10-25-17, 05:56 PM	#12
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Those NFL players, even drunken Finlanders have every right to peacefully protest. Not too long ago Kapernick took a knee in peaceful protest of perceived injustice. Now the very reason he took a knee has been swept under the rug and forgotten. Hijacked by so called patriots accusing him and others of being un-American for not venerating an inanimate object.