Open letter to the NFL players...read and share - Page 2

August · 10-25-17, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

He asked me to explain myself, I did. Read the posted replies before answering. It is not rocket science, I explained myself did I?

Thing is Dowly you have a habit of wishing a gruesome death on forum members. Such very personal insults have no place in the forum and you know it.

PoorOldSpike · 10-25-17, 06:32 PM

Here in Britain we've heard that some US blacks are disrespecting the flag by refusing to stand during the national anthem.
I don't get it! I mean, you'd think they'd be proud to stand for the flag considering it flew at the forefront of the Union's drive to end slavery..

August · 10-25-17, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PoorOldSpike

Here in Britain we've heard that some US blacks are disrespecting the flag by refusing to stand during the national anthem.
I don't get it! I mean, you'd think they'd be proud to stand for the flag considering it flew at the forefront of the Union's drive to end slavery..

Unfortunately according to some folks all the men portrayed in this painting are racists because they are white.

Dowly · 10-25-17, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Thing is Dowly you have a habit of wishing a gruesome death on forum members. Such very personal insults have no place in the forum and you know it.

That's what, the 3rd time you try to bait me? Neal, Mods?

Oh wait, immunity, sorry forgot.

PS. Sources for those "gruesome" deaths?

PPS. Before any moderation action is taken, I would really like to see August post some examples of me "wishing a gruesome death on forum members" (plural). Thank you.

Buddahaid · 10-25-17, 08:25 PM

Dowly, it boils down to who the "you" is you're referring to when you wrote "How about you go play on a minefield".

CaptainCruise · 10-25-17, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Dowly, it boils down to who the "you" is you're referring to when you wrote "How about you go play on a minefield".

I think he meant me.

Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut and never posted this. After reading all the replies I'm sorry I said anything. Next time I'll keep my opinions to myself.

Onkel Neal · 10-25-17, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

U crank wasn't debating the merits of the pros and cons of kneeling during an anthem. U crank was saying the comment " go play in a minefield was uncalled for. I also agree.

I agree also, very nonconstructive comments like this belong on a youtube comments section, not here. Dowly, please consider being less disrespectful of the other members of this forum.

Tom, you have every right to express your thoughts on the matter with getting sucker punched, carry on.

Falkirion · 10-25-17, 08:40 PM

There's all types of patriots. There's some that agree with the stance that the players are taking and there's some that don't. At the end of the day both sides are entitled to express their own political opinion without fear of harassment/retaliation of those who don't agree with it.

CaptainCruise · 10-25-17, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ET2SN

Someone has something backwards.

The citizens don't bow to soldiers, its the soldiers who bow to the citizens.

Think of who paid you when you wore a uniform. Sometimes we forget that.
Those pampered NFL players pay a lot in taxes, I think its fair that they get to express their opinion.

Besides, my team is tied at the top of the division.

Serious.....pay a lot in taxes? And the guy in uniform may potentially pay with his life.

They absolutely have the right to express their opinion, but did they have to pick something this disrespectful?

Maybe being disrespectful is the only way to get attention in the country anymore.

Buddahaid · 10-25-17, 09:02 PM

And the "you" could have meant football players. After all it is a second language for Dowly. I'm sure I could be pretty offensive trying to speak Finnish.

Kazuaki Shimazaki II · 10-25-17, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCruise

National boycott of the NFL for Sunday November 12th, Veterans Day Weekend. Boycott all football telecast, all fans, all ticket holders, stay away from attending any games, let them play to empty stadiums. Pass this post along to all your friends and family. Honor our military, some of whom come home with the American Flag draped over their coffin.

Perhaps all that's needed to counter this is to say that getting overexcited over the flag is also a practice encouraged by Communist China (on Oct 1, people can go to jail for insulting their flag).

Maybe this thought can provoke a rethink in the "patriotic American" that wrote this...

Commander Wallace · 10-25-17, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

He asked me to explain myself, I did. Read the posted replies before answering. It is not rocket science, I explained myself did I?

I did read it. I suggest you look at your post when you are sober as you explained in post # 7 that you were in your own words, " druken. " "Perhaps you should refrain from posting in the Subsim Forums when you are in such a state. It may save you a lot of grief. You simply just wanted to pick a fight with U Crank who is probably one of the most even keeled members here.

I believe the reason the thread was posted Dowly was to invite a thoughtful discussion, not what you all too frequently do. By the way Dowly,

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Originally Posted by CaptainCruise

Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut and never posted this. After reading all the replies I'm sorry I said anything. Next time I'll keep my opinions to myself.

You didn't do anything wrong as the letter you posted as part of your thread was a sobering reminder of the sacrifices made by our people in uniform like the military. As mentioned, you were inviting an open, honest and intelligent discussion on a current news Item that the U.S and it's citizens are grappling with.

Unfortunately for the players, what was meant to be a protest against unfair applications of the law was derailed or morphed into a protest against the country which is not what the players were trying to accomplish.

By the way CaptainCruise, I thought this was a great thread that you started and very timely. Nice job.

Onkel Neal · 10-25-17, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

Perhaps all that's needed to counter this is to say that getting overexcited over the flag is also a practice encouraged by Communist China (on Oct 1, people can go to jail for insulting their flag).

Maybe this thought can provoke a rethink in the "patriotic American" that wrote this...

I think because we have so much more real personal and collective freedom than the Chinese is a really big reason seeing the nation's symbol ignorantly disrespected is why it bugs some of us so much.

But you may disagree, I won't try to shut you down.

ET2SN · 10-25-17, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCruise

Serious.....pay a lot in taxes? And the guy in uniform may potentially pay with his life.

They absolutely have the right to express their opinion, but did they have to pick something this disrespectful?

Maybe being disrespectful is the only way to get attention in the country anymore.

I'm just suggesting to look at it another way.

You're stationed just south of the 38th parallel and you've got some time off. All you want to do is kick back, turn on AFRTS and watch the game before you go back on duty.

Do you care about a boycott or do you just want to watch the game?

Sean C · 10-26-17, 01:36 AM

I think the players have a right to protest, and I don't think they should go to jail for doing it. Personally, I think that would be a violation of their First Amendment rights. Part of what defines the United States is the ability to express one's opinion, no matter how objectionable, and that applies to everyone.

I also think the team owners and NFL executives have a right to run their business how they see fit in order to keep it profitable. And the fans have a right to express their disapproval of the behavior of the people whom they have paid to entertain them. Americans may be guaranteed the right to free expression and to petition the government, but nowhere in the Constitution is anyone guaranteed the right to keep their job. You can say whatever you want...you just have to realize that you may end up penniless doing so. It's up to each individual to decide how commited they are to their "cause".

Finally, I think the players have made a very poor choice of how and when to protest. The Star Spangled Banner is not the anthem of the police. It's not the anthem of the judicial system, the military or the government. It is the anthem of the American people. The free and the brave people who make up all of those institutions. It represents all Americans, including the players themselves. It represents the very freedom the players are exercising in order to protest and the people who have died to protect that freedom and those who continue to do so. The players can say they do not intend to disrespect the country or our soldiers all they want. But, that's exactly what many Americans feel they are doing...including me. I find it distasteful at best and disgraceful at worst.

...But I'd still die to protect their right to do it.

10-25-17, 08:25 PM	#20
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Dowly, it boils down to who the "you" is you're referring to when you wrote "How about you go play on a minefield". __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

10-25-17, 09:02 PM	#25
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	And the "you" could have meant football players. After all it is a second language for Dowly. I'm sure I could be pretty offensive trying to speak Finnish. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

10-25-17, 06:32 PM	#17
PoorOldSpike Seaman Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Plymouth UK Posts: 38 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Here in Britain we've heard that some US blacks are disrespecting the flag by refusing to stand during the national anthem. I don't get it! I mean, you'd think they'd be proud to stand for the flag considering it flew at the forefront of the Union's drive to end slavery..

10-25-17, 08:40 PM	#23
Falkirion Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne, AUS Posts: 1,043 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	There's all types of patriots. There's some that agree with the stance that the players are taking and there's some that don't. At the end of the day both sides are entitled to express their own political opinion without fear of harassment/retaliation of those who don't agree with it.

10-26-17, 01:36 AM	#30
Sean C Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 984 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 2	I think the players have a right to protest, and I don't think they should go to jail for doing it. Personally, I think that would be a violation of their First Amendment rights. Part of what defines the United States is the ability to express one's opinion, no matter how objectionable, and that applies to everyone. I also think the team owners and NFL executives have a right to run their business how they see fit in order to keep it profitable. And the fans have a right to express their disapproval of the behavior of the people whom they have paid to entertain them. Americans may be guaranteed the right to free expression and to petition the government, but nowhere in the Constitution is anyone guaranteed the right to keep their job. You can say whatever you want...you just have to realize that you may end up penniless doing so. It's up to each individual to decide how commited they are to their "cause". Finally, I think the players have made a very poor choice of how and when to protest. The Star Spangled Banner is not the anthem of the police. It's not the anthem of the judicial system, the military or the government. It is the anthem of the American people. The free and the brave people who make up all of those institutions. It represents all Americans, including the players themselves. It represents the very freedom the players are exercising in order to protest and the people who have died to protect that freedom and those who continue to do so. The players can say they do not intend to disrespect the country or our soldiers all they want. But, that's exactly what many Americans feel they are doing...including me. I find it distasteful at best and disgraceful at worst. ...But I'd still die to protect their right to do it.