The Marriage of Microsoft and Linux

[GT182]

Well one thing is for sure. MS is slowly killing it's own self.

But I've been told Mac is also doing the same to it's own self.

[STEED]

Power always corrupts, you get so big you think you can get away with it and a lot of the time you do. Microsoft has well and truly damaged itself but if you don't follow these on going news items you will view Microsoft as the Bee's knee's and will not stand for mud slinging.

Until these folks wake up Microsoft is going to get away with it. Personally I like to see those responsible for their crimes thrown in prison.

[Commander Wallace]

I'm sure everyone has had issues with Microsoft at one point or another. The question I have is, can Linux work with the silent hunter series and other sims or do we have to accept the fact that we have to use windows ?

[Ashikaga]

The only reason I never went into Linux and for instance Ubuntu was that it takes way too much work for what I want with a computer.

Upgrading and adding programs to me was so damn difficult that I got rid of it quite quickly.

Not that I like Microsoft at all, but well. I prefer ease over hassle. Even though Microsoft does give people a lot of hassle. And since I am a trial and error guy I messed up a lot of versions of Windows. HAHAHAHAHA.

[Catfish]

Well MS will not sink Linux/Unix because 98 percent of the net runs on Linux, it is only companies/corporations connected via that net and its Linux servers, that use MS (which also stands for multiple sklerosis, of course) in their LAN. WAN is almost entirely Linux.
Apple's proprietary OS/X is also based on Linux, just stolen and changed to a degree that you cannot use it for free.

The reason i have MS on my system is games. As soon as they offer a real range of sims for Linux... if MS continues with its XBox they will bury their own grave.

[Ashikaga]

Has anyone of you heard about that ridiculous idea by the EU to tax hyperlinks ?




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[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Ashikaga

Has anyone of you heard about that ridiculous idea by the EU to tax hyperlinks ?.

Why not? I have long since abandoned any hope for a government to make sense, be it taxes or politics.

France had a windows tax during the time of Napoleon, this is why most houses of the time have only windows to the backyard. Those with a front to the street were taxed.

In Germany you still pay taxes for Willliam 2nd's battle fleet, if you buy sparkling wine, in 2016.

During the airlift to help Berlin after WW2 in Gremany there was a tax introduced for paying that, declared as vehicle tax. This tax was already being paid with taxes on fuel before, but it was added and we still pay that.


I think the governments should not care about making sense at all any more when introducing taxes, no one blieves them anyway. Why not a soap bubble tax. Those who have it pay because they have, those who don't have it pay for it because they don't have it.
It's so easy.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Ashikaga

The only reason I never went into Linux and for instance Ubuntu was that it takes way too much work for what I want with a computer.

Upgrading and adding programs to me was so damn difficult that I got rid of it quite quickly.

Not that I like Microsoft at all, but well. I prefer ease over hassle. Even though Microsoft does give people a lot of hassle. And since I am a trial and error guy I messed up a lot of versions of Windows. HAHAHAHAHA.

Holy crap Ashikaga! It's a hassle to start up your machine, Update starts automatically, says "you have xx operating system updates and xx program updates" and you have a proceed button. When you push it, not only the operating sytem BUT EVERY SINGLE PROGRAM ON YOUR MACHINE is updated in the background while you proceed with whatever you want to do. Where's the "hassle?" Finding the freaking proceed button?

Adding programs. You have a single repository where just about every Linux program is vetted, certified virus free and completely updated. Start up one of many package managers, my favorite is Synaptic Package Manager, and you can find anything from the same place. And you are not restricted to repositories. If you want to download programs the risky Windows way by going to a website you are able to do that too.

If it's too much work to find a proceed button I suggest you use a cell phone. Oh yeah, Android is a derivative of Linux.

I picked up Linux by trial and terror too. It's great. Windows copied just enough from Linux that its operating system barely works in a kind of warped and perverted way. But the pure experience is way ahead of Windows.

Especially the easy way that Linux updates both operating system and every program on your machine with a single button push ("too much hassle!!!") is so far ahead of Windows that statements about too much hassle are ludicrous.

[Ashikaga]

This remark made me laugh.

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

If it's too much work to find a proceed button I suggest you use a cell phone. Oh yeah, Android is a derivative of Linux.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Ashikaga

This remark made me laugh.

I hope if you do try Linux again, that it works out for you. Hopefully the issues you had were minor settling in adjustments. Maybe the newest versions of Linux will be more to your liking.

Best regards.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Ashikaga

This remark made me laugh.

Yup, another great plan bites the dust!

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Holy crap Ashikaga! It's a hassle to start up your machine, Update starts automatically, says "you have xx operating system updates and xx program updates" and you have a proceed button. When you push it, not only the operating sytem BUT EVERY SINGLE PROGRAM ON YOUR MACHINE is updated in the background while you proceed with whatever you want to do. Where's the "hassle?" Finding the freaking proceed button?

Adding programs. You have a single repository where just about every Linux program is vetted, certified virus free and completely updated. Start up one of many package managers, my favorite is Synaptic Package Manager, and you can find anything from the same place. And you are not restricted to repositories. If you want to download programs the risky Windows way by going to a website you are able to do that too.


Especially the easy way that Linux updates both operating system and every program on your machine with a single button push ("too much hassle!!!") is so far ahead of Windows that statements about too much hassle are ludicrous.

When I try to install the RPMforge repository

rpm -Uvh http://pkgs.repoforge.org/rpmforge-release/rpmforge-release-0.5.3-1.el6.rf.x86_64.rpm

I am getting this error

curl: (7) couldn't connect to host
error: skipping http://pkgs.repoforge.org/rpmforge-release/rpmforge-release-0.5.3-1.el6.rf.x86_64.rpm - transfer failed

What do I need to do, Steve?

[Skybird]

Neal, best way for you is to find the dominating English Linux Mint forum and community website, and ask there. Do not be shy to ask in the Newbie section. If it is like with the main German Mint forum website, then you will be given good advise and the needed spells to cure your curse.

The major German website would be: http://www.linuxmintusers.de/

For English it cold be this one: https://forums.linuxmint.com/

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

When I try to install the RPMforge repository

rpm -Uvh http://pkgs.repoforge.org/rpmforge-release/rpmforge-release-0.5.3-1.el6.rf.x86_64.rpm

I am getting this error

curl: (7) couldn't connect to host
error: skipping http://pkgs.repoforge.org/rpmforge-release/rpmforge-release-0.5.3-1.el6.rf.x86_64.rpm - transfer failed

What do I need to do, Steve?

Hey Neal, I missed your post! Sorry.

Looks like you're using a Red Hat derivative like Fedora. I'm not an expert on that. Ubuntu has all that preinstalled and you just run it. Actually, it runs itself on startup and offers to update everything on your machine. Commander Wallace is our Fedora expert.

Once FOTRS Ultimate Edition has left the nest and we're just working on plugins, I look forward to doing a thread with Commander Wallace and others on a "Get acquainted with Linux" thread.

Seems like there should be a way to use the GUI, but one of the reasons I'm not using Fedora is that they're still stuck on the computer geek position that if you can't use the command line you don't deserve to use Linux. Ubuntu is much more GUI oriented. You CAN use the terminal but almost always have the opportunity to use a GUI solution.

To be fair, there is much in Windows that you must use a command window to accomplish. Even something so simple as copying a directory tree that has 10 layers and a couple hundred files can be copied three to ten times quicker in the command window using xcopy than it can in Windows Explorer, which totally chokes on the job.

Commander Wallace is your Fedora expert. When you see .rpm repository, that means a Red Hat derivative Linux distribution. I personally wouldn't recommend that for a person fresh from Windows. But that could be just because I'm not too familiar with it.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

When I try to install the RPMforge repository

rpm -Uvh http://pkgs.repoforge.org/rpmforge-release/rpmforge-release-0.5.3-1.el6.rf.x86_64.rpm

I am getting this error

curl: (7) couldn't connect to host
error: skipping http://pkgs.repoforge.org/rpmforge-release/rpmforge-release-0.5.3-1.el6.rf.x86_64.rpm - transfer failed

What do I need to do, Steve?

Let's do a little troubleshooting. Your errors say "couldn't connect to host" and "transfer failed." That could mean several things, but the #1 reason for that is that the web site specified couldn't be found. On your first line the web address starts with "http://pkgs.repoforge.org." Cut and paste that into the address bar of your browser and you'll get "Problem loading page" blah, blah, blah, which means there's no website to be found with that address.

The achilles heel of the terminal is that it is literally literal! Typos are severely punished and every single character must be accurate. It's like typing URLs into your web browser. Nobody does that. Why? Because it's impossible to type "http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2430652" accurately more than two times in ten attempts.

There's something wrong with the web address in your terminal command that prevented you from accessing the site you wanted to reach.

Repoforge hasn't been updated in awhile, but repoforge.org does work. Going to the "Using Repoforge" page you find

Using RepoForge

First download the appropriate rpmforge-release package for your distribution:

• EL 7: x86_64
• EL 6: i686, x86_64
• EL 5: i386, x86_64, ppc
• EL 4: i386, x86_64, ppc
• EL 3: i386, x86_64

Then you can use rpm or yum to install the downloaded package. The package installation will enable the RepoForge repo for subsequent use via yum.
More detailed instructions and recommendations are available on the CentOS wiki.
Hints:

• Use cat /etc/redhat-release to find which release of EL you are using
• Use uname -a to find your processor architecture
• Use rpm -ivh package-filename to install the rpmforge-release package (also works with URLs)
• You can use wget or curl to download the package using one of the above links if needed (for example on a server with no X Window)
• Then you can use yum to install the available packages from the RepoForge repo, e.g. yum install --enablerepo=rpmforge-extras`
• Afterward, you can disable accidental updates from the repo by setting enabled = 0 in the repo definition file in /etc/yum.repos.d/

And I clicked on one of the links. The repositories aren't available! The links are dead.