The Marriage of Microsoft and Linux

Ashikaga · 08-28-16, 11:48 PM

The only reason I never went into Linux and for instance Ubuntu was that it takes way too much work for what I want with a computer.

Upgrading and adding programs to me was so damn difficult that I got rid of it quite quickly.

Not that I like Microsoft at all, but well. I prefer ease over hassle. Even though Microsoft does give people a lot of hassle. And since I am a trial and error guy I messed up a lot of versions of Windows. HAHAHAHAHA.

Catfish · 08-29-16, 01:35 AM

Well MS will not sink Linux/Unix because 98 percent of the net runs on Linux, it is only companies/corporations connected via that net and its Linux servers, that use MS (which also stands for multiple sklerosis, of course) in their LAN. WAN is almost entirely Linux.
Apple's proprietary OS/X is also based on Linux, just stolen and changed to a degree that you cannot use it for free.

The reason i have MS on my system is games. As soon as they offer a real range of sims for Linux... if MS continues with its XBox they will bury their own grave.

Ashikaga · 08-29-16, 03:09 AM

Has anyone of you heard about that ridiculous idea by the EU to tax hyperlinks ?

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Catfish · 08-29-16, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashikaga

Has anyone of you heard about that ridiculous idea by the EU to tax hyperlinks ?.

Why not? I have long since abandoned any hope for a government to make sense, be it taxes or politics.

France had a windows tax during the time of Napoleon, this is why most houses of the time have only windows to the backyard. Those with a front to the street were taxed.

In Germany you still pay taxes for Willliam 2nd's battle fleet, if you buy sparkling wine, in 2016.

During the airlift to help Berlin after WW2 in Gremany there was a tax introduced for paying that, declared as vehicle tax. This tax was already being paid with taxes on fuel before, but it was added and we still pay that.

I think the governments should not care about making sense at all any more when introducing taxes, no one blieves them anyway. Why not a soap bubble tax. Those who have it pay because they have, those who don't have it pay for it because they don't have it.
It's so easy.

Skybird · 08-29-16, 04:56 AM

The two big problems with Linux, even Mint, are the software compatability thing, both in business and in private (games), which will not solve itself when people always just complain - but then again chose with their wallet to fiance Mcrosoft. Why should a company choose to develope for Linux if it sees people paying money for stuff done under Windows, and under Windows development can be had for a cheaper price and with less risk? The othe rreason ist that even an advanced GUI like Mint does not go all the way, but stops in the middle. You sooner or later run into the need to operate via Terminal - DOS, that is, so to speak, and that is so very backwardly and one thing it is not: intuitive and ergonomic. This is studying needed to be done, like you needed to study and learn DOS - 30 years ago. You need to be an expert under Linux as long as you do not have an administrator working for you. Much under Linux needs to be done via an interface of a standard that was used by us kids at school 35 years ago. In this regard, ergonomics, Linux is still quite primitive and Windows is superior. Linux is nice once all your system is tuned like you want it to be, then you can run your software via GUI. But beware if you need to do soething that is no on the daily card! Or set an option the GUI does not know of. You ask the wizards hen and copy-paste magical spells you do not understand.

To me, this is the biggest failure of the many Linux developers there are. So many different banches, so many different forks, when a team does not like the graphics of icons in one set they used for their fork or distribution, the immediately start to invent a new development strain and a new Linux branch. But none of them, not a single one, ever cared to develope a GUI systematically to the end so that you can tune your system and software options to your likings and handle system resources in a way that you do not need to leave the GUI.

This superioity of Windows is undenuiable, and total. Its a great failure of Linux that they develope so many branches - but not a single GUI consequently to the end.

And I think these two things are the major two things that keep people away fromLinux. Since 20 years. Does anyone elarnthe lesson from it, amongst Linux developers? Not really.

And mybe they want it like that, I learned that they are a very helpful, but also very elitist a circle at the forums. Extremely easy to trip their wires when saying something critical about Linux, even if it is true. Linux is holy, almost untouchable. I need these people, and many of them are very helpful, to make that clear - but I feel I abuse them by indeed leaving it only to factual problems and letting them solve them for me, not using any unnecessary word anymore. Got burnt several times the past 6 months.
I recommend, still, my way: use two systems, if yu are just an oridnary usual user with no need to run any special Windows-only special software. One no-updating Windows system for game laucnhing, and another with Linux Mint for EVERYTHING else.

I meanwhile learned that a VM is not an all-cures-in-one, it comes at its own risks for your system. Do ot underestimate what it means in security loss if you run a full Windows installation under Linux, even if it is a VM only. This Windows nevertheless exposes your system to the same risks a pure Windows mahcine would do. And at least you can distribute and spread Windows malware via your Linux system that way. If you exchnage data via for exmaple USB stick with another Windows system, or ar elinked in a network to Windows systems, the concerns are even greater.

Same goes for Wine. Running Wine under Linux is NOT recommended from a scurity point of view.

Keep things physically disconnected and separate from each other. What they need to consider regarding hygiencis in a hospital, is true for digital infections in the comouter world as well.

Maybe that is good. that there are so many kinds of Linuxes

and so few users, are two reaosns why it is so safe an environment, at least safer than Windows, Chrome, Mac or Android.

Commander Wallace · 08-29-16, 07:47 AM

I found this and thought it might be helpful to people using various versions on Linux and having to compromise using a multi boot format of Linux and windows to play their games.

This article suggests that you can play silent hunter with Linux Wine.

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManag...rsion&iId=5618

HOWTO - Running Silent Hunter 3 with Wine

The game itself works, but some care must be taken during instalaltion in order to get it working correctly.
Note and disclaimer:
This has been tested only with Silent Hunter 3 - EMEA DVD edition - version 1.4b. Please contact me for your success regarding the US or the downlaod editions of this game.
First step: Install the game.
This is easy: push the DVD in and run "wine setup.exe". Install all the options including Directx9 video codecs and Acrobat Reader 7 (this one might be left out if you have space concerns). Installation will run swiftly and complete in a few minutes with no assle. I suggest not to install the GameShadow crap since you will not need it.
Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET!
Second step: Patch the game to 1.4b
Go to the Ubisoft Silent Hunter 3 homepage (see link in game description) and download the right patch for you. I have tested only the EMEA DVD 1.4b patch. The download is about 20MB and could take a while, but once you have it simply unzip and run it with wine. The patch will locate your installation and patch it to the latest (1.4b) version.
Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET!!
Third step: apply a NO-CD crack to the game
No, i am not suggesting to illegally play this game, nor i am suggesting to pursue any illegal or unethic behaviour. If this step is illegal in your country or if you believe it to be unethical, please stop here and forget about running Silent Hunter 3 under wine.
Unfortunately, Ubisoft has choosen a copy protection mechanism for their game that is NOT supported by wine at the moment. So, even if you own an original version of the game you must find, download and apply a NO-CD (or better NO-DVD in this case) patch. I am not giving you any direct link to any potential illegal stuff, unzip it and put all the enclosed files (some dlls and one exe) on the game directory replacing the original provided ones. I strongly suggest backing up the existing one first.
Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET!!
Last step: Now run the game!
Either run wine sh3.exe from the game directory or use the Start Menu shortcut, the loading screen might take some time, then the menu page will show up and... Good Luck!

Note: if "xrandr | grep 1024x" does not report 50.0 Hz as an option

(for example: " 1024x768 75.0 70.0 60.0 " )

you must fiddle with your X config until it does report 50 Hz, or apply this patch to get the game running.

Please report any success story for other editions than the EMEA DVD!

I hope you all find this helpful.

Rockin Robbins · 08-29-16, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I found this and thought it might be helpful to people using various versions on Linux and having to compromise using a multi boot format of Linux and windows to play their games.

This article suggests that you can play silent hunter with Linux Wine.

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManag...rsion&iId=5618

HOWTO - Running Silent Hunter 3 with Wine

The game itself works, but some care must be taken during instalaltion in order to get it working correctly.
Note and disclaimer:
This has been tested only with Silent Hunter 3 - EMEA DVD edition - version 1.4b. Please contact me for your success regarding the US or the downlaod editions of this game.
First step: Install the game.
This is easy: push the DVD in and run "wine setup.exe". Install all the options including Directx9 video codecs and Acrobat Reader 7 (this one might be left out if you have space concerns). Installation will run swiftly and complete in a few minutes with no assle. I suggest not to install the GameShadow crap since you will not need it.
Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET!
Second step: Patch the game to 1.4b
Go to the Ubisoft Silent Hunter 3 homepage (see link in game description) and download the right patch for you. I have tested only the EMEA DVD 1.4b patch. The download is about 20MB and could take a while, but once you have it simply unzip and run it with wine. The patch will locate your installation and patch it to the latest (1.4b) version.
Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET!!
Third step: apply a NO-CD crack to the game
No, i am not suggesting to illegally play this game, nor i am suggesting to pursue any illegal or unethic behaviour. If this step is illegal in your country or if you believe it to be unethical, please stop here and forget about running Silent Hunter 3 under wine.
Unfortunately, Ubisoft has choosen a copy protection mechanism for their game that is NOT supported by wine at the moment. So, even if you own an original version of the game you must find, download and apply a NO-CD (or better NO-DVD in this case) patch. I am not giving you any direct link to any potential illegal stuff, unzip it and put all the enclosed files (some dlls and one exe) on the game directory replacing the original provided ones. I strongly suggest backing up the existing one first.
Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET!!
Last step: Now run the game!
Either run wine sh3.exe from the game directory or use the Start Menu shortcut, the loading screen might take some time, then the menu page will show up and... Good Luck!

Note: if "xrandr | grep 1024x" does not report 50.0 Hz as an option

(for example: " 1024x768 75.0 70.0 60.0 " )

you must fiddle with your X config until it does report 50 Hz, or apply this patch to get the game running.

Please report any success story for other editions than the EMEA DVD!

I hope you all find this helpful.

Rockin Robbins · 08-29-16, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashikaga

The only reason I never went into Linux and for instance Ubuntu was that it takes way too much work for what I want with a computer.

Upgrading and adding programs to me was so damn difficult that I got rid of it quite quickly.

Not that I like Microsoft at all, but well. I prefer ease over hassle. Even though Microsoft does give people a lot of hassle. And since I am a trial and error guy I messed up a lot of versions of Windows. HAHAHAHAHA.

Holy crap Ashikaga! It's a hassle to start up your machine, Update starts automatically, says "you have xx operating system updates and xx program updates" and you have a proceed button. When you push it, not only the operating sytem BUT EVERY SINGLE PROGRAM ON YOUR MACHINE is updated in the background while you proceed with whatever you want to do. Where's the "hassle?" Finding the freaking proceed button?

Adding programs. You have a single repository where just about every Linux program is vetted, certified virus free and completely updated. Start up one of many package managers, my favorite is Synaptic Package Manager, and you can find anything from the same place. And you are not restricted to repositories. If you want to download programs the risky Windows way by going to a website you are able to do that too.

If it's too much work to find a proceed button I suggest you use a cell phone. Oh yeah, Android is a derivative of Linux.

I picked up Linux by trial and terror too. It's great. Windows copied just enough from Linux that its operating system barely works in a kind of warped and perverted way. But the pure experience is way ahead of Windows.

Especially the easy way that Linux updates both operating system and every program on your machine with a single button push ("too much hassle!!!") is so far ahead of Windows that statements about too much hassle are ludicrous.

Ashikaga · 08-29-16, 11:48 AM

This remark made me laugh.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

If it's too much work to find a proceed button I suggest you use a cell phone. Oh yeah, Android is a derivative of Linux.

Commander Wallace · 08-29-16, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashikaga

This remark made me laugh.

I hope if you do try Linux again, that it works out for you. Hopefully the issues you had were minor settling in adjustments. Maybe the newest versions of Linux will be more to your liking.

Best regards.

Rockin Robbins · 09-23-16, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashikaga

This remark made me laugh.

Yup, another great plan bites the dust!

Onkel Neal · 08-30-16, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Holy crap Ashikaga! It's a hassle to start up your machine, Update starts automatically, says "you have xx operating system updates and xx program updates" and you have a proceed button. When you push it, not only the operating sytem BUT EVERY SINGLE PROGRAM ON YOUR MACHINE is updated in the background while you proceed with whatever you want to do. Where's the "hassle?" Finding the freaking proceed button?

Adding programs. You have a single repository where just about every Linux program is vetted, certified virus free and completely updated. Start up one of many package managers, my favorite is Synaptic Package Manager, and you can find anything from the same place. And you are not restricted to repositories. If you want to download programs the risky Windows way by going to a website you are able to do that too.

Especially the easy way that Linux updates both operating system and every program on your machine with a single button push ("too much hassle!!!") is so far ahead of Windows that statements about too much hassle are ludicrous.

When I try to install the RPMforge repository

Code:

rpm -Uvh http://pkgs.repoforge.org/rpmforge-release/rpmforge-release-0.5.3-1.el6.rf.x86_64.rpm

I am getting this error

Code:

curl: (7) couldn't connect to host
error: skipping http://pkgs.repoforge.org/rpmforge-release/rpmforge-release-0.5.3-1.el6.rf.x86_64.rpm - transfer failed

What do I need to do, Steve?

Skybird · 08-30-16, 02:27 PM

Neal, best way for you is to find the dominating English Linux Mint forum and community website, and ask there. Do not be shy to ask in the Newbie section. If it is like with the main German Mint forum website, then you will be given good advise and the needed spells to cure your curse.

The major German website would be: http://www.linuxmintusers.de/

For English it cold be this one: https://forums.linuxmint.com/

Onkel Neal · 08-30-16, 04:05 PM

Ok, thanks

Skybird · 08-30-16, 05:03 PM

It's proven advise - I need to make more use of that forum myself than I like.

08-29-16, 01:35 AM	#2
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,799 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Well MS will not sink Linux/Unix because 98 percent of the net runs on Linux, it is only companies/corporations connected via that net and its Linux servers, that use MS (which also stands for multiple sklerosis, of course) in their LAN. WAN is almost entirely Linux. Apple's proprietary OS/X is also based on Linux, just stolen and changed to a degree that you cannot use it for free. The reason i have MS on my system is games. As soon as they offer a real range of sims for Linux... if MS continues with its XBox they will bury their own grave. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

08-29-16, 04:56 AM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,694 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The two big problems with Linux, even Mint, are the software compatability thing, both in business and in private (games), which will not solve itself when people always just complain - but then again chose with their wallet to fiance Mcrosoft. Why should a company choose to develope for Linux if it sees people paying money for stuff done under Windows, and under Windows development can be had for a cheaper price and with less risk? The othe rreason ist that even an advanced GUI like Mint does not go all the way, but stops in the middle. You sooner or later run into the need to operate via Terminal - DOS, that is, so to speak, and that is so very backwardly and one thing it is not: intuitive and ergonomic. This is studying needed to be done, like you needed to study and learn DOS - 30 years ago. You need to be an expert under Linux as long as you do not have an administrator working for you. Much under Linux needs to be done via an interface of a standard that was used by us kids at school 35 years ago. In this regard, ergonomics, Linux is still quite primitive and Windows is superior. Linux is nice once all your system is tuned like you want it to be, then you can run your software via GUI. But beware if you need to do soething that is no on the daily card! Or set an option the GUI does not know of. You ask the wizards hen and copy-paste magical spells you do not understand. To me, this is the biggest failure of the many Linux developers there are. So many different banches, so many different forks, when a team does not like the graphics of icons in one set they used for their fork or distribution, the immediately start to invent a new development strain and a new Linux branch. But none of them, not a single one, ever cared to develope a GUI systematically to the end so that you can tune your system and software options to your likings and handle system resources in a way that you do not need to leave the GUI. This superioity of Windows is undenuiable, and total. Its a great failure of Linux that they develope so many branches - but not a single GUI consequently to the end. And I think these two things are the major two things that keep people away fromLinux. Since 20 years. Does anyone elarnthe lesson from it, amongst Linux developers? Not really. And mybe they want it like that, I learned that they are a very helpful, but also very elitist a circle at the forums. Extremely easy to trip their wires when saying something critical about Linux, even if it is true. Linux is holy, almost untouchable. I need these people, and many of them are very helpful, to make that clear - but I feel I abuse them by indeed leaving it only to factual problems and letting them solve them for me, not using any unnecessary word anymore. Got burnt several times the past 6 months. I recommend, still, my way: use two systems, if yu are just an oridnary usual user with no need to run any special Windows-only special software. One no-updating Windows system for game laucnhing, and another with Linux Mint for EVERYTHING else. I meanwhile learned that a VM is not an all-cures-in-one, it comes at its own risks for your system. Do ot underestimate what it means in security loss if you run a full Windows installation under Linux, even if it is a VM only. This Windows nevertheless exposes your system to the same risks a pure Windows mahcine would do. And at least you can distribute and spread Windows malware via your Linux system that way. If you exchnage data via for exmaple USB stick with another Windows system, or ar elinked in a network to Windows systems, the concerns are even greater. Same goes for Wine. Running Wine under Linux is NOT recommended from a scurity point of view. Keep things physically disconnected and separate from each other. What they need to consider regarding hygiencis in a hospital, is true for digital infections in the comouter world as well. Maybe that is good. that there are so many kinds of Linuxes and so few users, are two reaosns why it is so safe an environment, at least safer than Windows, Chrome, Mac or Android. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-30-16, 02:27 PM	#13
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,694 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Neal, best way for you is to find the dominating English Linux Mint forum and community website, and ask there. Do not be shy to ask in the Newbie section. If it is like with the main German Mint forum website, then you will be given good advise and the needed spells to cure your curse. The major German website would be: http://www.linuxmintusers.de/ For English it cold be this one: https://forums.linuxmint.com/ __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-30-16, 04:05 PM	#14
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Ok, thanks __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

08-30-16, 05:03 PM	#15
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,694 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It's proven advise - I need to make more use of that forum myself than I like. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-28-16, 11:48 PM	#1
Ashikaga Commodore Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Netherlands Posts: 620 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	The only reason I never went into Linux and for instance Ubuntu was that it takes way too much work for what I want with a computer. Upgrading and adding programs to me was so damn difficult that I got rid of it quite quickly. Not that I like Microsoft at all, but well. I prefer ease over hassle. Even though Microsoft does give people a lot of hassle. And since I am a trial and error guy I messed up a lot of versions of Windows. HAHAHAHAHA.

08-29-16, 03:09 AM	#3
Ashikaga Commodore Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Netherlands Posts: 620 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Has anyone of you heard about that ridiculous idea by the EU to tax hyperlinks ? .

08-29-16, 07:47 AM	#6
Commander Wallace Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Under the sea in an Octupus garden in the shade Posts: 5,319 Downloads: 366 Uploads: 0	I found this and thought it might be helpful to people using various versions on Linux and having to compromise using a multi boot format of Linux and windows to play their games. This article suggests that you can play silent hunter with Linux Wine. https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManag...rsion&iId=5618 HOWTO - Running Silent Hunter 3 with Wine The game itself works, but some care must be taken during instalaltion in order to get it working correctly. Note and disclaimer: This has been tested only with Silent Hunter 3 - EMEA DVD edition - version 1.4b. Please contact me for your success regarding the US or the downlaod editions of this game. First step: Install the game. This is easy: push the DVD in and run "wine setup.exe". Install all the options including Directx9 video codecs and Acrobat Reader 7 (this one might be left out if you have space concerns). Installation will run swiftly and complete in a few minutes with no assle. I suggest not to install the GameShadow crap since you will not need it. Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET! Second step: Patch the game to 1.4b Go to the Ubisoft Silent Hunter 3 homepage (see link in game description) and download the right patch for you. I have tested only the EMEA DVD 1.4b patch. The download is about 20MB and could take a while, but once you have it simply unzip and run it with wine. The patch will locate your installation and patch it to the latest (1.4b) version. Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET!! Third step: apply a NO-CD crack to the game No, i am not suggesting to illegally play this game, nor i am suggesting to pursue any illegal or unethic behaviour. If this step is illegal in your country or if you believe it to be unethical, please stop here and forget about running Silent Hunter 3 under wine. Unfortunately, Ubisoft has choosen a copy protection mechanism for their game that is NOT supported by wine at the moment. So, even if you own an original version of the game you must find, download and apply a NO-CD (or better NO-DVD in this case) patch. I am not giving you any direct link to any potential illegal stuff, unzip it and put all the enclosed files (some dlls and one exe) on the game directory replacing the original provided ones. I strongly suggest backing up the existing one first. Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET!! Last step: Now run the game! Either run wine sh3.exe from the game directory or use the Start Menu shortcut, the loading screen might take some time, then the menu page will show up and... Good Luck! Note: if "xrandr \| grep 1024x" does not report 50.0 Hz as an option (for example: " 1024x768 75.0 70.0 60.0 " ) you must fiddle with your X config until it does report 50 Hz, or apply this patch to get the game running. Please report any success story for other editions than the EMEA DVD! I hope you all find this helpful.