Europe's migrant problem

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Dowly

I'm afraid you have misunderstood me.

Oh, sorry. I thought that was comical Ali as in that the news was fake or overblown.

[Cybermat47]

Those rapist scum are a disgrace to the entire Human race

[Skybird]

Above story.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046

City police chief Wolfgang Albers called it "a completely new dimension of crime". The men were of Arab or North African appearance, he said.
(...)
What is particularly disturbing is that the attacks appear to have been organised. Around 1,000 young men arrived in large groups, seemingly with the specific intention of carrying out attacks on women.
Police in Hamburg are now reporting similar incidents on New Year's Eve in the party area of St Pauli. One politician says this is just the tip of the iceberg.
And there are real concerns about what will happen in February when the drunken street-parties of carnival season kick off.

I know the place, were at that station myself several times during the past three years. Last summer they even had many construction fences in the surrounding area (don'T know whether they are still there), the roads and bridge pillars got renewed, it seems. No way to easily escape, and many dark hidden places under nearby roadbridges. Even worse to navigate if you are not familiar with the place.

Just days ago another main media dared to report - by German standards quite frankly - about the immense problem that Kurdish and Lebanese huge clans pose in cities like Berlin, Hamburg, and places in the Ruhrgebiet. Police unions under the hand talk of no-go zones for police patrols when the mikes are switched off. A female police officer, by name I assume of Greek descent, tours assemblies in Germany in her free time and speaks of how politicians and cultural relaticists as well as superforgiving pedagogic judges with surreal hopes all work together to - by final effect - erode the law and order. Violence against police officers now is a daily routine problem, and always the same cultural backgrounds show up. In some cities officers actively refuse to patrol in certain areas, giving fear for their lives as reason.

The problems grow since years. Consequences: none.

Oh, wait. Some politicians I read earlier this day in the media, saying that these events should not lead us to make conclusions on the migration policy of Germany, it would be cheap and a discrimination to consider the cultural background of people coming here. Some days ago another one said we should follow other (stupid) countries example and hide ethnic background and cultural origin of criminal offenders from the public. Out of sight - problem solved: that is the message.

We now behave like the Swedes started to do years ago: ignorant, cowardly, driven by indifference and daydreaming and ignoring the root problems over fears to be seen as politically incorrect. They pay the price. So will we. Serves us right.

Its nice and reassuring that the new year starts like the old one has ended. It gives a sense of continuance, stability.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Of course, if you're going to be taking on the refugees and not spreading them out across Europe, then you need to make sure that whatever you're accomodating them in is better quality than your prisons or else you're going to get people deliberately breaking the law to get a comfy bed in prison.

Considering their names have not been released, do you know where these people lived and in what conditions?

I don't, just a honest question.

[mapuc]

I got mad when I heard about this in Köln

Germany and other countries in Europe has open they hearts so refugees can seek safe haven and then some of them does this as a thank you Germany/Europe.

If was in command(or what the correct word may be) I would, when I found those who did this, send them back to where they came from.

Markus

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I'm just saying in general, not trying to excuse their actions, but just pointing out that it's something that could become a problem in the future alongside the current criminal activity.

Sorry, I took it as a continuation to what you said before it.

[mapuc]

To be honest I'm a bit confused

According to the witness the persons who did this was of African and Arabian origin

In the news they say, that those who did this was drunk.

I thought it was not allowed for a Muslim to drink and get drunk

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by mapuc

To be honest I'm a bit confused

According to the witness the persons who did this was of African and Arabian origin

In the news they say, that those who did this was drunk.

I thought it was not allowed for a Muslim to drink and get drunk

Markus

There are many things a Muslim should never do but as in any other religion there are those who do.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

There are many things a Muslim should never do but as in any other religion there are those who do.

You are right

Markus

[Schroeder]

From what I see on our news it seems like those guys were not refugees but criminal gangs that have been operating here for some time already. It would have surprised me if it had been refugees to be honest. The Syrians I meet here when passing the local camp try to be friendly.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

From what I see on our news it seems like those guys were not refugees but criminal gangs that have been operating here for some time already. It would have surprised me if it had been refugees to be honest. The Syrians I meet here when passing the local camp try to be friendly.

I heard that too on Heute-Journal, where the over-mayor of Köln said something like you wrote.

She also said something about not projecting on a certain group or groups

Markus

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I'm surprised no one has started a topic on this. It's all over the news here. Thousands of migrants trying to get to Germany, England, and Sweden, among other countries. Greece is overrun, Hungary erecting a fence, thousands of Syrians and Africans drowning in the Med or dying in lorries. What the heck's going on over there?

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2016...hebdo-one-year

That one sums it all up fairly well, finally - pretty good food for thought.

[Skybird]

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justi...a-1070837.html

Excerpts from the internal police report (in German). A desaster for politics (who had forbidden to activate more police resources), and some stories mentioned that are quite interesting. That asylum seekers triumphantly ripped their papers before the police's eyes to pieces, blocking them from advancing to women calling for help, telling them with a grin that they (the police) can do noithing about the paper ripping and that they will get new papers immediately. Demanding them to treat them with respect, for they came from Syria and Madame Merkel had invited them.

The situation was so much out of control that the police expected to find killed and injured people, and feared lethal violence. Long-serving officers said that in 3 decades of service they have not been confronted with such amounts of dispise and lack of respect, ever. Over one hundred charges have been filed by victims, one third of these for sexual molesting, and several rapes. 16 suspects have been identified so far - of severla hundreds accomplices. The police union says it has high doubts that even just a single perpetrator will ever be sentenced.

Cologne is a known place of administrative incompetence and has a long record of according failures and appointing incapable key personnel. The current police president is under fire already for seveal severe failing before. The political landscape is extremely left-leaning, infantile, and driven by multi-culti. Cologne is one of Europe major breeding hotspots for Islamic "extremists", Germany'S Molenbeek, so to speak. Politicians meet these challenges by always talking big-mouthed "Wischi-Waschi" (babbling), appeals to social conscience and socilaist multi-culti, and preventing measurements of a more promising, robust nature. The police forces in the region have been significantly reduced in the past years, and a lot of multi-culti dialogue with non-integrating sub cultures is going on. At the same time organised crime by hugh Kurdish-Lebanese clans is blossoming. Halleluja! Mer losse de Dom in Kölle!

I hate this city, I sometimes have to go there, for personal finance businesses. Ein Saftladen. No wonder that German carnival focusses there. For more than just a fool'S parade there just is not enough.

The mayor of Cologne - an explicitly stupid women who got stabbed weeks ago by a desperate German going mad over her explciit desire to bring as many refugees to Germany as possible - and for that achievement of getting stabbed got elected by the rest with clear majority (sympathy due to victimhood always pays off these days) - gave women the advise to always maintain at least one armslength distance to foreign men. This well-meant, competent Belehrung was countered by a TV comedian with what has turned into a viral hit in Germany: he said it would be better to wear a Burka for self-protection against sexual harassment, and that he would recommend this option instead.

Meanwhile, it became known that in in Weil am Rhein a group of Syrian young males age 15-25 caught two German girls 14 and 15, and group-raped them during the night of New Year's Eve. The government of that state seems to have tried to delay or prevent informing the public (which happens often in Germany when culturally sensitive culture-enrichment groups are affected and political correctness and left ideology fear that their myths and utopias once again could suffer a scratch)). Two of those scumbags live in Netherlands and Belgium, of the Syrians residing in Germany two are refugees, one is a formally recognised asylum seeker. German authorities prevented a formal warrant of arrest for two of them, not before one individual took the opportuntity to be released again from custody to try escaping from Germany, such a warrant finally was released.

A human rights watch group has warned the police against discrimination for that, citing the social perspective for failing integration if young people in such a fragile age get arrested and kept in prison.

The brain worm infestation is spreading in the new year as well, it seems.

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Official government claims say that the flow of migrants from Balkans has gone down over the past weeks. Now a huge flood of migrants from Marocco is coming in. Its because of the Syrian war, you know. Sister parties CDU and CSU do a lot of stage-thundering over installing limits, the Bavarian CSU wants a yearly limit of 200,000 per year, Merkel stubbornly says all is good, all will be well, Europe will follow, and that there will be no limits whatever as long as she rules.

Yeah. Europe will follow. Sure.

The good thing from all this is that the cracks in the EU are deepening. Mass migration, Euro devaluing, globalization fumbling, economy stalling, China staggering, Islam, new fiscal and stock crisis gearing up, rediscovery of regional cultural identity and sovereignty in many EU provinces - interesting mix. Could become a perfect storm if several factors of all this climax simultaneously.

[Skybird]

A policeman, who due to fear for his job speaks anonymous, reveals that the official and media reports try to form wrong impresisons oin what went on. He claims the facts gets distorted completely. Media say that the sexual threats just were for intimidation and distraction and that the focus of the hundreds of organisewd clan gangster was to steal and rob purses and cellphones. However, police officers who were at the locaiton said iti was exactly the other way around: the focus laid on sexual attacks and attenmpted and completed rape, the stealign and robbing were acts of oppoirtunistic crime resultriung from the context of the victims being helpless. The policeman speaking out refers to a well-known and often documented phenomenon from the arab world, when crowds of men surround a girl or woman and then grope and/or even gang-rape her.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschla...traftaten.html

Die Welt is no tabloid like Bild and no exotic radical niche paper, but one of the nationwide mainstream newspapers in Germany, comparable maybe to The Independent.

Personally I think these events cannot be surprising, but also probably are not completely to be explained by an Islamic background, but a specific socialisation in a patriarchalic, female-hostile culture that considers all girls and women as lower beings per se and Western women as nothign else but sexual slaves, and bitches, free to be f##### whenever some male apeman from the stoneage feels his little thing in his trousers is itching.

A new revison of Germany's paragraph 130 STGB (penal code) sinc ebeginning of this year allows to prosecute any such comments as I just made on the grounds of that any criticising of a person for its relgious or cultural background equals hate speech and incitement of the people. No matter your evidence of reasonability of argument, speaking out the truth, no matter how strong your argument may or may not be, now can bring you to jail. Driving force behind this rewriting, of course were the lefts and socialists and Islamophile lobbies that campaign for more equality for Islam and making it untouchable for any kind of critical reflection. Many indeed integrated Muslim migrants living in Germany since long time, just shake their heads in disbelief over this latest of German follies.

Don't be mistaken, the intention behind this is neither noble, nor honest. It is supression of free speech to prevent the unmasking of a completely eroding and collapsing Islam policy by the establishment, and it is appeasing born out of cowardice. The criterions for "Volksverhetzung" now are so vague and open for just anythging that indeed just any critical opinion the poltical establishment does not like, can be labelled as a threat to public peace, and prosecuted. The hurdles now are unbelievably low. Almost non-existent. Just a claim for your guilt can briung you into trouble without evidence, since the burden of evidence is cleverly reversed. You are not assumed innocent as long as your guilt is not proven, but you are seen as guilty as long as you cannot prove your innocence. The burden of evidence is completely on you, not on the person raising the charges.

Can it become any more insane?

Bloggers in Germany are effected by according laws since some time already, too. Also forum maintainers, who are now fully legally responsible for any claims made by visitors (something the EU wants to push on whole continental level). Many privately run forums simply do not have the personell ressources to have a 24/7 around the clock checking of each and every posting, and I know of four such forums who went offline past year for these reasons. which is exactly the wanted political goal: gag unwanted opinion forums being critical of the official party policy (yes, party - singular. We have a political Gleichschaltung in parliaments, and only block parties bei former Eastgerman example. Its called consensus-tyranny. Debate is allowed as long as you end up nodding off what the party/state council/government wants you to agree to).

All in the name of protecting the socially weak and unrightfully targetted, of course.

Yes, of course. Free speech dies a slow death in Germany. That is no big difference to what already is the status quo sinc elong, since the free thinking had already been assassinated long time ago.

If he would fall under German legislation, Neal now would need to think twice before allowing GT forum to run on the way it did in the past years. He could end up in hell's kitchen just because I made a post. You think I'm kidding? Unfortunately I know better. As I said. I knew four forums that now went offline in the past 6 months, that dealt with poltical libertarianism. they were much tamer in views and opinions, than I am rergarding migration, Islam and the like. MUCH tamer, and for my taste quite EU-friendly.

And its raining all day and evening long. Right a perfect day to feel grumpy like this.

[Skybird]

Police in Cologne should have known quite early in the night that amongst the attackers there were many migrants from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, writes the Kölner Stadtanzeiger, a local newspaper. But the information was withheld in an attempt to completely hide it from media and the public. Police sources reveal that releasing that info was considered to be "politically delicate" ("politisch heikel").