Europe's migrant problem

[Onkel Neal]

I'm surprised no one has started a topic on this. It's all over the news here. Thousands of migrants trying to get to Germany, England, and Sweden, among other countries. Greece is overrun, Hungary erecting a fence, thousands of Syrians and Africans drowning in the Med or dying in lorries. What the heck's going on over there?

[Betonov]

Refugees trying to get away from a nutjob organization that was left after a certain war Europe didn't start left a power vacuum.
Certain nutjobs are abusing the situation to smugle themselves back in Europe to make a mess.
Certain nutjobs abusing the situation to score cheap political points.
Certain morons listening to above nutjobs, making quite heated debates at the pub.
Certain morons going the other way of the spectrum crying about the poor refugees but wouldn't lift a finger to help them. FB justice warriors.
Me stuck in the middle waiting for certain ''experts on Europe'' to pop up in this thread giving me a headache.

But good point Neal, Europe is right now facing a crisis that could be handled better and hopefully we won't screw this one up. We can't turn those refugees away, it's barbarism. But we can't feed and clothes them out of our own money we bloodily need to fix the financial mess that still haunts our economies.
We can have our armies to set up camps and open a voluntary donations accounts. We're known for our solidarity. A European will rather give €50 voluntarily than see €20 of his taxmoney go to outsiders. And then have our and your inteligence combing the camps for known ISIS fighters.
But that makes too much sense and anyone trying it will take flak from the left and right

[Herr-Berbunch]

No European has started the thread because they don't want to appear racist.

Migrant workers I welcome, as I'm sure do most. Benefit-seeking migrants (come to Europe to be given money (sending some back to family), clothes, and accommodation, I do not welcome*. We aren't in the best fiscal situation, we already give away far too much in aid to other countries (India, I am looking at you, any country that can willingly put craft into space does not need more money, it merely needs to reassign funds better).

*These benefit tourists are under the impression this is what they will get. Interviews in Africa show that UK has a reputation for giving all-comers the life of Riley but in reality that isn't necessarily the case.

Now to asylum seekers. They should stop in the first safe place and plead asylum there. Therefore in the UK we should only get asylum seekers from Nordic states, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Spain and Portugal at a push, Ireland, and Iceland. I don't think we should not take asylum seekers, but they should be distributed throughout Europe (I want to say evenly, but I mean on a per capita basis), nobody should actually arrive here and plead.

I know other countries have it worse than Britain. I'd love to hear Eichhornchen's take as he lives near a high migrant area, I know some areas of my home town are now taken over by seemingly endless rows of Polish shops and gangs (groups perhaps is less inflammatory as there's little 'gang' action).

[Eichhörnchen]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

No European has started the thread because they don't want to appear racist.

I'd love to hear Eichhornchen's take as he lives near a high migrant area.

I agree with all you say, HB.

In Boston yesterday I passed a young guy painting a shop front, making it look nice: "Polish Shop" said his new sign, plus another in the window. I thought "Good for you, mate and I hope you do well with it". There were no end of empty shops in the town until recently, and now just about all of them have been opened again. Mostly, it seems, by Polish or other Eastern European immigrants.

We noticed, a few years back, some exotic-sounding accents around town... just now and again. Today it seems that half the people you come across have an Eastern European accent; it's very common to hear it now. They look different too, and usually very good-looking; the women are often gorgeous, including Granny. And they give every impression of being a galvanising presence: fit, active and willing to belong (there were enough stories about the migrants pitching in to help the other residents during the floods in Boston a couple of years back). But at the same time, you can't deny the great pressure on resources they've brought to the area. Not their conscious decision to do so, of course, since it means that they're in the queue with everyone else.

But I hate to hear the muttered comment about the "foreigners" because, guess what, we heard the very same complaint in the very same tone levelled at us, as incomers from the Southeast 30 years ago. Like many other "foreigners" from places like Kent and Sussex, we came then because the houses were so much cheaper, and we'd been squeezed out by the proximity of our home towns to London and its burgeoning population of commuting high-earning house-buyers, so we were ourselves migrants.

No-one except other southerners comments about my accent now... I've got my feet well and truly under the table here and, as one old local countryman once told me, "You've paid your dues, boy". These immigrants are, from what I can see, setting about paying their dues with a will. Things change... suck it up.

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

No European has started the thread because they don't want to appear racist.

You sure about that?

I'm not afraid to appear racist, as I know I am not.
However, I didn't start that topic cause it pisses me of.
In Germany it seems we have only two sides.
Those on the very right, acting as if every single refugee is a criminal just waiting for an opportunity to strike and those on the far left, acting as if all of them are poor poor victims of someone or something and need all the love in the world.
The truth, and the more realistic point of view I dare to say, is somewhere in the middle - yet I hear no one speaking or thinking like that in, say TV talk shows, newspapers, articles, ...

~400m from where I live, we have a small refugee camp, build of containers, just a small one really.
I am glad it is there and I hope people who need help will get it there as this is what humans should do - help another.
Additionally I hope no nutcases are among those refugees.
So far I heard nothing negative.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

In Germany it seems we have only two sides.
Those on the very right, acting as if every single refugee is a criminal just waiting for an opportunity to strike and those on the far left, acting as if all of them are poor poor victims of someone or something and need all the love in the world.
The truth, and the more realistic point of view I dare to say, is somewhere in the middle - yet I hear no one speaking or thinking like that in, say TV talk shows, newspapers, articles, ...

Because in Germany from what I've heard but could be wrong if you have genuine concerns and critisism about the whole Asylum issue right now politicians have no problem in throwing you into the same basket as the Neo-Nazis or as Dowly put it down more appropiate.

a evil, racist, homophobe, white, intolerant, right-wing, hateful antisemitic supremacist Nazi oppressor

actually it's not only in Germany as in the Netherlands you can't get away with it either if you have critisism or genuine concerns you're branded the same as the above these days.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

No European has started the thread because they don't want to appear racist.

"I am proud to be Asian" - said the Asian
"I am proud to be African" - said the African
"I am proud to be Jewish - said the Jew
"I am proud to be an Arab" - said the Arab

"I am proud to be European" - said the evil, racist, homophobe, white, intolerant, right-wing, hateful antisemitic supremacist Nazi oppressor

[STEED]

Thorny issue here in the UK and I don't trust comments made by politicians and the media news and to be honest no one has a solution to the problem and both sides say they have when in fact they have not, sooner or later the general public in the UK will go off like a fire cracker.



Or maybe not..

[Wolferz]

Maybe those refugees should grow a pair and do something about what's going on in their home countries, instead of running away like lazy cowards and looking for a handout elsewhere.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day
Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Dowly

"I am proud to be Asian" - said the Asian
"I am proud to be African" - said the African
"I am proud to be Jewish - said the Jew
"I am proud to be an Arab" - said the Arab

"I am proud to be European" - said the evil, racist, homophobe, white, intolerant, right-wing, hateful antisemitic supremacist Nazi oppressor

Jeremiah 9:23-24　
This is what the Lord says:
"The wise must not brag about their wisdom.
The strong must not brag about their strength.
The rich must not brag about their money.
　
But if people want to brag, let them brag
that they understand and know me.
Let them brag that I am the Lord,
and that I am kind and fair,
and that I do things that are right on earth.
This kind of bragging pleases me,"

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by Dowly

"I am proud to be European" - said the evil, racist, homophobe, white, intolerant, right-wing, hateful antisemitic supremacist Nazi oppressor

Yes, the allied second world war propaganda is still alive, and is leading Europe to destruction...

I fear this is the end of civilization in Europe.

Don't you understand ? Europa is dead.

Let's be with God, and God be with us

F.

[Fahnenbohn]

One thing is clear for me : I don't want to live with them in my country. They are not from my culture, they are not from my race. In Europe, we have the military power to defend ourselves from invasion, but we don't have the courage to live as free men. We prefer material comfort and hobbies ...

Stop being capitalism slaves !

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Don't you understand ? Europa is dead.

I would tend to agree. The EU has finally shown it's true face. Most countries have no interest in helping out or showing solidarity with the nations that take in refugees. Solidarity is obviously supposed to be just a one way road payed for by Germany and a few others.
Even the most pink glassed EU fanatic should now realize that it has always just been an illusion. The hearts and minds of most have never been in it.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

What the heck's going on over there?

Well, a certain country was destabilized not so long ago by a foreign power that then left it without a proper competent military to fend for itself while another neighboring country went up in a civil war. A certain ultra Islamic organization took the chance and started a holy war overrunning large parts of both countries and terrorizing the citizens who have neither faith in the extremists nor in their corrupt and/or incompetent governments to safe them from the savages. So there is a mass exodus to Europe. The refugees will of course want to stay even after the wars are long over and we have another couple of million Muslim citizens in parallel societies.


Don't get me wrong, of course I feel the need to help them and have already donated clothes and money to relief organizations to help the refugees but I fully expect a fist in my face and a dagger in my back in 10 years from now as thanks.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I'm surprised no one has started a topic on this. It's all over the news here.

I did mention it in the Terrorism thread as being the other side of the problem caused by Daesh.

It's pretty sick what happens in Europe especially with the human trafficking gone wrong like the Truck in Austria with the aprox 70 refugees choking to death in that small truck , the Neo Nazi's in Germany burning down an asylum centre and the UN just expects it'll eventually blow over.