Europe's migrant problem

CCIP · 09-21-15, 01:30 AM

I would suggest that any sacrifice of human rights or guiding principles that make your society allegedly different from those other "awful" ones is not acceptable. A good reminder, again, of why I don't live in Russia today because the regime and populace alike there seem to have no difficulty sacrificing these rights under rather dubious justifications. "Existential threats" are awfully easy to manufacture in a popular consciousness. Awfully. Remember the examples of actual fascist propaganda I'd posted just a few pages ago.

As to the freedom of choice, sure, that's an issue - but I would also suggest that it's a logical fallacy to think that even for most Muslims the codes of behaviour are somehow not a choice or enforced by necessary violence or incompatible with liberal thought. Or that they're suddenly going to destroy everything for your children. More fundamentally, their predicament is not a choice, and their values - whether voluntary or enforced - do not dehumanize them or remove our core value of treating others as equals. People are people. They're not fundamentally different regardless of culture or beliefs. Unless your opinion of them is informed by media sensationalism or certain avian members of this board

That's not to trivialize problems - which there are with religion and culture, whatever it may be, but I also encourage people to not become spokesmen on behalf of groups that they do not represent or particularly know. Leave Muslims and their ideology alone for the moment - what are we supposed to stand for here?

09-21-15, 01:30 AM	#11
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I would suggest that any sacrifice of human rights or guiding principles that make your society allegedly different from those other "awful" ones is not acceptable. A good reminder, again, of why I don't live in Russia today because the regime and populace alike there seem to have no difficulty sacrificing these rights under rather dubious justifications. "Existential threats" are awfully easy to manufacture in a popular consciousness. Awfully. Remember the examples of actual fascist propaganda I'd posted just a few pages ago. As to the freedom of choice, sure, that's an issue - but I would also suggest that it's a logical fallacy to think that even for most Muslims the codes of behaviour are somehow not a choice or enforced by necessary violence or incompatible with liberal thought. Or that they're suddenly going to destroy everything for your children. More fundamentally, their predicament is not a choice, and their values - whether voluntary or enforced - do not dehumanize them or remove our core value of treating others as equals. People are people. They're not fundamentally different regardless of culture or beliefs. Unless your opinion of them is informed by media sensationalism or certain avian members of this board That's not to trivialize problems - which there are with religion and culture, whatever it may be, but I also encourage people to not become spokesmen on behalf of groups that they do not represent or particularly know. Leave Muslims and their ideology alone for the moment - what are we supposed to stand for here? __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart) Last edited by CCIP; 09-21-15 at 01:43 AM.