Europe's migrant problem

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

They deserved it.

NO refugees or immigrant deserv this

Aim you anger against your politician in your country, EU, UN a.s.o but not against people who's either fleeing from war, from miserable conditions and who wants to enter safe haven or places where they can have a better living.

Markus

[Rockstar]

And so it begins

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015...hrough-border/

Hungarian police have opened fire with tear gas against 1500 rioting migrants who are attempting to break through the country’s border fence. Migrants have been chanting “Allah hu Akbar” while pelting police officers with missiles including “really big rocks”, bottles, and even food, leading to the crack down. The news follows Hungary’s state of emergency declared yesterday.

The Hungarian crack down followed the suspension of the Schengen free movement area by Germany and Austria this weekend. It became clear to German authorities that a significant number of the migrants they were processing were not in fact refugees from Syria. Germany’s local authorities have also complained that they were overwhelmed by the influx of people, and were not about to process or house them effectively.

When this first started governments of the so called 'union' should have worked together regulating their borders better than they did. Instead of offering a free ride on the back of the tax payers. Now everyone both the native born and the immigrant are ticked off.

[Aktungbby]

I'll always have a positive comment for Skybird, he's not a moron, just special, same for Rockstar, he's not dumb, just listens to the talking heads too much.

Whaddabout ME! I'm special too! Well lightly 'teched' at least I'm like that other nutcase: I luv kukris and Scat!

that was a little bit too loved by his mama.

But just to keep it polite; like the mafia we never bring family into the discussion. From the Odyessy/Merchant of Venice : "It's a wise son who knows his father!" God help 'em if they don't know their mothers too

[August]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

We have that all the time. People don't want to stay in other countries but come to Germany or Sweden.

How are you folks planning to absorb such a large group of people?

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Serbia won't do anything on their side of the border, because a) they don't have the resources, and b) if they tried someone would probably accuse them of trying to remove kebab. Old habits die hard.

Serbia can always covertly mobilise it's masses that stil lhaven't forgoten the war and when hell breaks loose will just say ''it was not Belgrade sanctioned''
But then again, those masses may mobilise themselves without Belgrade

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

But just to keep it polite; like the mafia we never bring family into the discussion. From the Odyessy/Merchant of Venice : "It's a wise son who knows his father!" God help 'em if they don't know their mothers too

I meant spoiled, not incest
And I meant the mother of the nameless CoD player

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Betonov

So please, don't say you tell the truth. The London sewer outlet spews things more digestible than your garbage. I'd say it might be wise not to let your mouth outrun your brain, but I suspect the brain is already a cripple by this point.

One more thing. Political correctness may be the enemy of truth, but ignorance, vile behavior, barbarism, total disregard for the suffering and egotism is the enemy of progress and I hope George Washington rises from his grave and smacks you to Somalia for being such a total polar opposite of the values he built the US on we Europeans looked upon to and learned from.

[Betonov]

Thank you, thank you [majestic bow that fails since I'm fat]
I really must watch that movie one day.

That is unfortunately a possibility, and we really don't have the forces for another KFOR mission.

Serbia is no longer a backwater nation reeling from a collapse of a union with a friend that was a also reeling from a collapse of another union.
Today Serbia is a modern state with a powerfull friend and a KFOR mission would be scrapped in the security council.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by August

How are you folks planning to absorb such a large group of people?

Planning? So far it looks like no one is planning anything. There is one summit after another but nothing concrete so far and I'm pretty sure it will turn out just as well as the last time. Our institutions are completely overstretched as it is so no fast progress can be expected. My (unqualified) guess is that it will take years to be able to offer integration and language classes to all immigrants and by that time they'll already have established their parallel society here and are no longer interested in integration. (Yeah I'm very pessimistic. Maybe I'm wrong and get positively surprised, we can all just hope for that.)

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Precisely! It's the worst case scenario; rule 1 of security: if you can think of it...the bad guys already have! Essentially a made to order situation to place 'sleeper' radical jihadists' in the West. Taliban and ISIS militants are not noted for missing opportunity.

Originally Posted by mapuc

Have said it is a highly possibility that some IS-supporters are among those refugees who has crossed the Danish-German border

I don't know how to put it and I hope I'm wrong very wrong

I have a feeling that in the near future we are going to be witness to a simultaneous terror attack across Europe.

Markus

Originally Posted by Skybird

My only comment for the German attitude on the current desaster, is this: Insanity.

is who not only sees the need to find such a thing, but who actually finds it indeed.

IN 2 DAY"S PAPER: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/da10facd92e841739efca5dee5e71a48/refugee-surge-europe-raises-concern-about-militants

When Islamic State extremists lost control of a key crossroads town in northern Syria in June, some militants shed their jihadi garb and blended in with the flood of Syrians fleeing across the Turkish border. Since then, the exodus of Syrians and Iraqis toward Europe has surged — and Europeans opposed to taking in more refugees say that more than ever, they fear "disguised terrorists" in their midst. Governments along the route have different assessments of the threat. Two senior Iraqi officials and a Syrian activist say a small group of hardened Islamic State extremists is believed to have left the war zones of Iraq and Syria to blend in with the masses of asylum seekers in recent weeks.
Intelligence officials in France and Germany expressed skepticism, saying they have no specific evidence.

Rule 2 of security: there is seldom specific evidence...until it is too late ...again!???

[Rockstar]

Almost impossible to discern who the radicals are. When the horde of Catholics migrated from Cuba. They too were infiltrated by radical Catholics which established alpha 66 and omega 7 and operated in the U.S.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Excuse me, sir or madam, are you a member or have ever been a member of a radical religious organisation bent on overthrowing the west?"

Funny you should ask that on this day! 1893: At precisely twelve noon, a cannon's boom unleashed the largest land rush America ever saw. Carried by all kinds of transportation - horses, wagons, trains, bicycles or on foot - an estimated 100,000 raced to claim plots of land in an area of land in northern Oklahoma Territory known as the Cherokee Strip. There had been a number of previous land rushes in the Territory - but this was the big one. IMHO: the radical religion was MANIFEST DESTINY (thanks ROCKSTAR)and it was bent on overthrowing the West...in this case the Treaty of 1828 Indian Territory There were only 42,000 parcels of land available - far too few to satisfy the hopes of all those 100,000 who raced for land that day. 'MERICA! Additionally, many of the "Boomers" - those who had waited for the cannon's boom before rushing into the land claim - found that a number of the choice plots had already been claimed by "Sooners". I suspect there are some ISIS boomers mix't in with the refugee sooners; nuthin' goes outta style.

[Rockstar]

Nothing can be done about the 2 or 3 radicals who might be traveling with thousands. Frankly, terrorism would not be my immediate concern. I think the biggest problem is the mass of people heading for unregulated borders, getting different governments to work together to stop the flow, the logistics of caring for them while things get sorted out and assuring citizens the situation is under control.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Oberon

although my question was directed more towards Aktungbby

Actually you separate the accompanied families from single young men of a certain age demographic; Isolate and thoroughly check out the singles first; it's not foolproof but it's a good deal better than the obvious current sloppiness which will leave post-Hebdo Europe exposed. Having, for years myself, checked every ID of every person; removed all Kirpan's from Sikhs entering Federal buildings (some objected on 'religious grounds') and personally inspected all rental bobtail trucks parked curbside by Federal buildings following Oklahoma City...it's slow, meticulous, and tedious; and there cannot be a single lapse. I recollect Ike kept an entire "army in captivity" following WWII https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmed_Enemy_Forces The number of Germans surrendering to U.S. forces shot up from 313,000 by the end of the first quarter of 1945, to 2.6 million by April 1945 and more than 5 million in May. Most were kept so until 1948?!! The Russian POWs did not fare as well...some until 1956. Due to the vast influx and danger this is, unfortunately, the best mass-model we have. Naturally the caloric-food issue should not be as severe as 1945. Technology should considerably speed the vetting/background process. The "kindness coefficient" already demonstated should be superior as well. Moreover the refugees cannot fail to appreciate the terrific strain imposed and would likely cooperate-considering what they're fleeing: literally a Götterdämmerung of sorts. It's not a great plan but everyone has to be checked w/o exception and it's the low-pay front line security types who gotta do it.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Betonov

No, I, as me, do not sugar coat things. I have said that we should make camps for the refugees to weather it out and I also have said that they should have a some kind of background check to weed out the opportunists and terrorists from the real casualties of war no matter if that inconveniences them or the hippies. It's us first but Europe can feed and warm them for the duration of the crisis.

When it comes to you, not sugar coating is not the same as sewer coating.
Your comment was juvenile, sick, on a level of a 13 year old call of duty player that was a little bit too loved by his mama.
I'll always have a positive comment for Skybird, he's not a moron, just special, same for Rockstar, he's not dumb, just listens to the talking heads too much. And they both made some good comments here. I'll admit that.

So please, don't say you tell the truth. The London sewer outlet spews things more digestible than your garbage. I'd say it might be wise not to let your mouth outrun your brain, but I suspect the brain is already a cripple by this point.

One more thing. Political correctness may be the enemy of truth, but ignorance, vile behavior, barbarism, total disregard for the suffering and egotism is the enemy of progress and I hope George Washington rises from his grave and smacks you to Somalia for being such a total polar opposite of the values he built the US on we Europeans looked upon to and learned from.

Hmm you went personal, usually when people go personal, it is because they have no valid response, so in order to deflect yet avoid saying nothing, try to make things personal.I have never played COD in my life, actually I did once, I am more of subsim guy(apparently as you are as well) and not 13 years old, yes my mother loves me very much and to some I am probably spoiled, I had a lot of advantages growing up as my parents were fairly successful.However, when I speak to these issues, especially these issues I am able to speak for the people who actually suffer.My generation has suffered from the failed economy, stagnant wages etc and a huge part of that is immigration, especially illegal immigration. I have watched as my father nearly lost a once thriving business when the crash happened and received NO help from the federal government as he is a white male who has too much according to the government, but will help an off the boat non citizen or new citizen in a heart beat with tax money he paid in all those years.There is no sane person in this world that thinks that is okay, only bleeding hearts with an agenda.

Then there is my tale of woe well I graduated college and started law school but had to take a year and a half off because my father could no longer afford it for the time being.I had some scholarships but was not enough.I could not get grants etc, why? I am a white male and did not grow up poor.Loans? Oh yes, let me become indebted to the government for rest of my life or a huge portion of it. I was reduced to a sales job where yes I made decent money, but worked 50-60 hours a week and put up with a bunch of crap and have nothing to show for it really.Well, things have somewhat turned around, I have resumed classes as of this month but it is still a struggle and just hoping I can make it through.The academics are not the challenge, it's living while finishing up.

I have experienced first hand the impact of illegal immigration from being part of the middle class who suffer stagnant wages as mentioned, because illegals and even legals brought here to fill the job for much less undercutting the labor market.Then there is the incident a year or so ago I remember sharing where a drunk, ILLEGAL immigrant hit a parked car I was in AND attempted to flee.Turns out not his first time and that piece of excrement should not have been here in the first place.Allegedly he will be deported , but I doubt it.

I suspect there are many Europeans who have suffered the same and know many fellow other americans that have suffered directly and indirectly from the unfettered and unintelligent immigration policies of last 30-40 years or so.Europe is suffering more advanced stages of this cancer than we are, but if we do not change, if europe does not change now, we will likely never recover.How was Charlie Hebdo not a wake up call if anything? The riots from the slums of Paris.The underground bombings, the British soldier beheaded in public.My god, what will it take for bleeding fools to see what is going on?

Truth is, you know what I am saying, while not pleasant, kind, empathetic, sympathetic, or in any way helpful to the invaders, or those you call migrants, it is the truth and helpful for OUR societies, especially for my fellow Americans and my European cousins who need to wake up and realize, these people are conquering us, but under the radar, using tolerance and kindness against us, have been for a long time. Instead of rallying with those in europe who oppose this premeditated invasion along with Americans suffering much the same at our southern border(Reconquista), too many bleeding hearts are still blind to the grave consequences for our our nations.

I am not advocating anything inhumane, just rule of law and protecting our societies from an invasion, ensuring we preserve culture that made our various nations great.

Yes, it upset some as I seemed to advocated spitting on the invaders.I said I did not and would not do it myself, but understand why some would do that and will no fault them for it, but better ways to do things.America is waking up, Europe is as well, this invasion has really seemed to kick many Europeans into reality, the tyranny of "PC" and open borders etc days are numbered, can not get here fast enough.

Wake up, really.