Europe's migrant problem

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Wages are artificially low while cost of everything else is high primarily due to a flooder labor market, much of it illegal or foreign workers who may be here legally but will work for much much less than americans.Sorry, no american worker should have to compete in their own country with someone who does not even belong here.Americans first, other after.

Most immigrants, legal or otherwise do jobs that most Americans will not do. That's true in America and even way out here on the east coast of Canada. We can't get farm or fish plant workers so immigrants are brought in. Face it man, Americans are not competing for most low paying labor intensive jobs that illegals do. Are you?

Otherwise the cancer of multiculturalism will finish us off along with Europe.

You live in a land that became a country in the exact same way. People from all over the world came to America, took the land from its former owners, learned to live together, intermarried and created the United States. That's an oversimplification but that is what happened. Just because you live there now doesn't mean it wont happen again. I actually don't think it will. For every 'bad immigrant' you will get hundreds who will become good citizens. They will embrace the American dream and become your neighbors. BTW, where are your ancestors from?

We have too many people now, its killing us, we cant take everyone in.Sad, but just how it is.

Give us some proof.

Instead of Germans rolling into Poland in tanks and trucks, this is a force even more vile moving in taking advantage of so called "human decency", really it is over time conquering Europe without firing a shot.SMH

For a moment there I thought you were apologizing. Guess not.

[Aktungbby]

[QUOTE=u crank;2345475]Most immigrants, legal or otherwise do jobs that most Americans will not do. That's true in America and even way out here on the east coast of Canada. We can't get farm or fish plant workers so immigrants are brought in. Face it man, Americans are not competing for most low paying labor intensive jobs that illegals do. Are you?






[/QUOTE=aktungbby]

But hey! I like my chicken packaged, I speeka Spanish and the los peones nuevos pay into my $ocial $ecurity!

Let all come here! The $ystem always need new members starting at the bottom and workin' ^; payin in to keep the whole economic mirage goin'! Napa grape pickers, my yard man, the house- keeper... Bienvenidos BBY! PS: I used to wash dishes, carried golf bags, swept a few warehouses/unloaded railcars and picked onions in CA for two summers myself; so it's hardly a class distinction. Been there: now it's someone else's turn!

[Betonov]

While does everyone think this will destroy Europe.
It's a continent. It's not like the combined power of islam will tear it up by the tectonic plate and throw it into the sun

Europeans have a tendency to go far right or far left when a crisis hits.
Both scenarios spell trouble for us though.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Europeans have a tendency to go far right or far left when a crisis hits.
Both scenarios spell trouble for us though.

Not just Europeans.

[Dan D]

Hathaway, James C.: Moving Beyond the Asylum Muddle, VerfBlog, 2015/9/14, http://www.verfassungsblog.de/en/mov...-asylum-muddle




Short: Revitalize the UNHCR to administer quotas


..It is, of course, patently unfair that countries such as Greece or Hungary be expected to assume most of Europe’s responsibility under the EU’s so-called “first country of arrival” rule, which forces refugees to stay in the first place they arrive – whatever that country’s resources, and whatever protection is realistically available there (or not).


But in all of the talk about the European refugee crisis, we have lost sight of the fact that just three countries bordering Syria – Jordan, Lebanon, and Turkey – have received more than ten times as many Syrian refugees as the rest of the world combined.


Indeed, more than 80% of the world’s refugees live in countries of the less developed world and are guaranteed no financial support from wealthier countries. Nor are these front-line states meaningfully assisted by resettlement.


Of the roughly 14,000,000 refugees in the world last year, only about 100,000 were resettled – with just two countries, the United States and Canada, providing the lion’s share of this woefully inadequate contribution...


Not only governments – but most tragically, even the international refugee agency, UNHCR – have been inattentive to the fact that the drafters of the Convention never intended the treaty to operate in the atomized and uncoordinated way that has characterized most of its nearly 65-year history. To the contrary, the Preamble to the Refugee Convention expressly recognizes that “the grant of asylum may place unduly heavy burdens on certain countries,” such that real global protection “cannot therefore be achieved without international co-operation.” Action to realize this promise in the Refugee Convention’s Preamble is more important now than ever. ...

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Betonov

...far left when a crisis hits.
Both scenarios spell trouble for us though.

As with the news today: unable to penetrate Hungary from Serbia the refugees are

"Police did not use force against the migrants, as they tried to keep the barriers in place. They finally gave up and the migrants started running into Croatia.
Terence Pike, with the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees in Croatia, told CNN that Croatian authorities had been prepared to handle only an influx of 500 migrants and refugees a day

headed west to Croatia-lookin' at the map- a big turn to far left indeed!

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

As with the news today: unable to penetrate Hungary from Serbia the refugees are headed west to Croatia-lookin' at the map- a big turn to far left indeed!

wow just let them in? I heard one country used water cannons and tear gas, ALL should do that.Make real consequences for the lawless, savage like behavior and it will stop.Same at the US border.Ah weakness of governments

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Betonov

While does everyone think this will destroy Europe.
It's a continent. It's not like the combined power of islam will tear it up by the tectonic plate and throw it into the sun

Europeans have a tendency to go far right or far left when a crisis hits.
Both scenarios spell trouble for us though.

Because history shows the clash of civilizations.Islamic "values" culture etc is just not compatible with western society.Over time, the demographic changes will "destroy" the society.These changes start small cracks at the foundation and over time, may even take 50 years or more, but over time you have problems should never have had thanks to weak "tolerance" of mindsets from the dark ages.

This is already happening in early stages in places like France.Charlie Hebdo likely would have never happened if not for "tolerance". The beheading of british soldier in the street by a muslim would not have happened. The US has it's problem with islam as well.Dearborn, Michigan is known as "Dearbornistan" for a reason.Prime example of allowing demographics to shift so much, they run that place like it is not even a US city.

California has been ruined by this shift.Not racist here, okay with immigration from non white countries but failing to properly assimilate people and being too tolerant of those with the mentality of entitlement from other nations has lead to this.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Because history shows the clash of civilizations.Islamic "values" culture etc is just not compatible with western society.Over time, the demographic changes will "destroy" the society.

History shows nothing.
For the last 1400 years Islam has dominated a desert and was either colonised by Europe or balkanised by themselves.

And now because there are some Ahmeds opening kebab shops in Europe and some Fatimas cleaning schools we're being overrun and because the father prays 5 times a day means that the rebellious teenage son will not give in to the decadence of Europe ?? I'm willing to bet €1000 that 95% of all ISIL members that ran from Europe were virgins. Some fat loosers that turned to Allah after they were turned down by women.

Don't worry about Europe, we survived WW1, WW2 and the cold war. 200 000 muslims heading to a 700 000 000 population is just a crisis to keep the politicians scandal free for a while.
The Germans migrated in bigger numbers in 1939 and they brought tanks.

And a sunite will rather kill a shiite than a christian and a shiite will rather kill a sunite than a christian.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

California has been ruined by this shift.Not racist here, okay with immigration from non white countries but failing to properly assimilate people and being too tolerant of those with the mentality of entitlement from other nations has lead to this.

I live there and it's far from ruined but I suspect your idea of ruin is cultural diversity. And if that's the case I'd rather live in ruin than a monoculture.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I live there and it's far from ruined but I suspect your idea of ruin is cultural diversity. And if that's the case I'd rather live in ruin than a monoculture.

That from a guy living behind the Robin Williams Tunnel Marin 'race barrier'
Robin Williams: "No matter what color you are, you're white when you come out the other side and enter tony Marin," he often quipped. The 'rainbow tunnel'; gateway to ritzy Marin County

Originally Posted by Rockstar

and making them eat Lutefisk.

Don't fergit Hamm's and Spam!

[Rockstar]

Lol. I remember my aunt Elena serving up a bowl of moijakka. Thank god she hadnt fully assimilated and learned about Spam. Though she was Jewish so I doubt she would have bought it anyway.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Because history shows the clash of civilizations.Islamic "values" culture etc is just not compatible with western society.Over time, the demographic changes will "destroy" the society.These changes start small cracks at the foundation and over time, may even take 50 years or more, but over time you have problems should never have had thanks to weak "tolerance" of mindsets from the dark ages.

This is already happening in early stages in places like France.Charlie Hebdo likely would have never happened if not for "tolerance". The beheading of british soldier in the street by a muslim would not have happened. The US has it's problem with islam as well.Dearborn, Michigan is known as "Dearbornistan" for a reason.Prime example of allowing demographics to shift so much, they run that place like it is not even a US city.

California has been ruined by this shift.Not racist here, okay with immigration from non white countries but failing to properly assimilate people and being too tolerant of those with the mentality of entitlement from other nations has lead to this.

Look closer there are cities within every city in the U.S. Where people generally group together or are segregated because of language, skin color, economic class, education, tradition, religion, or ethinc origins.

Also, what does it mean to properly assimilate, how does one go about doing that?

Take for example my grandfather as a young man he could not find a job in his native country. He hops on a ship bound for America in 1902 migrates to Wisconsin finding work at a lumber company, a farm, as a deckhand and eventually as a ship captain. He got married to a good lookin Finnish girl raised two children and died. In all his years here he was still unable to speak english very well. Other than his immigration to the States I can't think of anything he would have done differently had he stayed in Europe. At what point would you have considered him assimilated and a good American?

Minnesota is the unofficial Norweigan capital of the United States. Lets round them up and ship'em out if they cant assimilate. They're taking over the state and jobs from real Americans and making them eat Lutefisk.

[Skybird]

After WWII, ins nhort time over 12 million people of german descent had to flee from eastern territories and into war-torn Germany. With 25% of pre-war housing destroyed, no economy and no jobs, hunger being widespread, it is an urban legend that there was a strong culture of welcoming the refugees back then, although these for the most were cultural relatives, sharing speech, religion, historically grown identity, moral values, descent, etc. I know this from first hand witnesses, because the family of my father was one of those refugees that needed to flee. Life of the refugees in Germany was a lousy one, they stood at the very end of the social ladder, had no chance to climb it up until the early 60s, and everybody hated them for picking away from the already scarce resources. The childhood of my father and his older brother, was miserable, sometimes hell.

The people now flooding into Germany, for the most are Muslims, have a totally different socialisation, are educated in completely different and all too often opposing moral values, are a completely different speech tribe, and burst into a Germany that already has according to various studies 400,000 to 700,000 lacking flats and serious budget deficits for investing into education and infrastructure. And the boss of the German labour agency already had to admit that due to the newcomers flooding the labour market, unemployment rate next year must be expected to show a very steep climb. Not even every third seems to qualify for the education standards needed to integrate him into the labour market, btw, although severla hundred thousand jobs are vacant. It must be feared that the costs for the social system in netto effect will outclass the gains. There is the attempt over here to gloss over the impact of the refugees and migrants by referring to Germany's critical demographic situation, that the population is overgaing and that the mass of young people now coming in is pour relief. Well - that remains to be seen. Scepticism trumps optimism, imo.

And this is the projection for just the end of this year when over 1 million arrivals will have been counted. The coming years with even more arrivals are not even present in the formula.

Well.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I know this from first hand witnesses, because the family of my father was one of those refugees that needed to flee. Life of the refugees in Germany was a lousy one, they stood at the very end of the social ladder, had no chance to climb it up until the early 60s, and everybody hated them for picking away from the already scarce resources.

Odd. My grandfather came from Stettin (now called Szczecin and part of Poland) and managed to settle into West Germany pretty well. He became a fire fighter in 1947 and was "verbeamted" around the same time (that means he became a federal officer with all the privileges and duties that brings). I also never heard him complain about being treated unfairly because of being from the east.
Maybe it depended on where in Germany people settled?