Europe's migrant problem

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dan D

https://twitter.com/thomas_wiegold/s...79549026160640
"Russian troops join combat in Syria - sources - Reuters"

Where will it end ?

The article made me think of USA's more and more involvement in south Vietnam.

Markus

[Dan D]

Exclusive: Russian troops join combat in Syria - sources


http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0R91H720150910

Topic needs probably its own thread.

[Rockstar]

You know I was wondering why it seems out of all of the E.U. members Germany, without even blinking, was taking in so many refugees. From what I was reading some think Germany's low birth rates and declining labor force is a concern and this is one way to bolster its future enconomy and place in the Union.

[ikalugin]

Well, what we could consider the worst case scenario? I would say that it is:
- early reproduction.
- near total participation of female population in said reproduction.
- 6 kids per mother surviving to reproductive age.
- continued high rates of emigration.

This, provided total emigration of 5m, 3 generations with 25 times sub population growth could provide population in Germany within 3 generations, ie in 60 years. This is ofc very hypotheoretical and unlikely to actually occur.

[ikalugin]

In the other news - recent arrival of BTR82 series (amongst other things) to Syria is a part of arms sale, which was payed by Syria from the advanced payment for S300PMU2 systems they have ordered before but which would not be delivered.

I guess priorities have changed since the S300 contract was sighned.

[Betonov]

Size of family is economic, not cultural.
First gen would have 6 children, 2nd gen maybe 3 or four, 3rd gen would fall to Euro average.

Decadence is death to tradition.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Can't help but think that might backfire on them in the long term, not so much in regards to the refugees themselves and some elaborate scheme to take over Europe, but in regards to the PEGIDA crowd and the xenophobes getting more and more restless.

Unfortunetaly I think it may backfire.

We've seen it here in the United States, case in point Miami, FL. After Mariel 1 and 2 that city has changed. In one way they assimilated into a capitalistic society quite well, enjoying freedom and success they never had in Castros Cuba. But they did not give up much if any of their Cuban identity or language, infact nowadays nothing about the Greater Miami area ressembles old Florida and is now commonly referred to Northern Cuba. But the U.S. has the luxury of land mass and can absorb such things and not even flinch.

On the otherhand Germany and other european countries dont have the luxury. I dont expect such a vast number of people to assimilate and become good Germans, Finns, Swedes or whatever. Instead they, like the Cubans, will desire to retain their identity and language which will not just change the face of a city but the tiny little euro nation they just moved into and that me thinks will cause things to really heat up.

[mapuc]

So any thoughts about a buffert-zone near the border to Turkey, is far far away now ?

Markus

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Size of family is economic, not cultural.
First gen would have 6 children, 2nd gen maybe 3 or four, 3rd gen would fall to Euro average.

Decadence is death to tradition.

This worst case scenario implies low level of economical welfare that leads to reactionary position, coupled with high level of healthcare and most basic social safety net.

Ie conditions that lead to both high birth rates and low mortality.

[mapuc]

I Put it here

The Danish PET-FBI

Have said it is a highly possibility that some IS-supporters are among those refugees who has crossed the Danish-German border

I don't know how to put it and I hope I'm wrong very wrong

I have a feeling that in the near future we are going to be witness to a simultaneous terror attack across Europe.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Precisely! It's the worst case scenario; rule 1 of security: if you can think of it...the bad guys already have! Essentially a made to order situation to place 'sleeper' radical jihadists' in the West. Taliban and ISIS militants are not noted for missing opportunity.

Originally Posted by mapuc

I Put it here

The Danish PET-FBI

Have said it is a highly possibility that some IS-supporters are among those refugees who has crossed the Danish-German border

I don't know how to put it and I hope I'm wrong very wrong

I have a feeling that in the near future we are going to be witness to a simultaneous terror attack across Europe.

Markus

Don't tell me some Danish security guys actually agree with me!

[mapuc]

^Thank you for your in-deep analysis

Why I wrote simultaneous is because of something I read in Danish news paper

From my memory

"Many high ranked officer has joined IS"

Therefore now they have officers that can help them do the planning and they

But said before I'm not an expert, I try to get a "whole picture" of IS from all the news I read and see on news program.

Markus

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Muslin Trojan horses . The wests naivete and kindness will be our end.

Yep, she's just waiting to end Europe.



Just look at her dark foreign eyes, full of hatred... burn Europe, burn!
Hope someone stops her...

[mapuc]

^ Nippelspanner

I'm not talking or have mentioned children in my posting in this and the other thread.

I'm talking about grown-up men and woman and not all of them.

Markus

Originally Posted by mapuc

^ Nippelspanner

I'm not talking or have mentioned children in my posting in this and the other thread.

I'm talking about grown-up men and woman and not all of them.

Markus

I wasn't referring to whatever you said at all, just to what bubblehead spilled out about the West's naivety.