Europe's migrant problem

[mapuc]

^ Nippelspanner

I'm not talking or have mentioned children in my posting in this and the other thread.

I'm talking about grown-up men and woman and not all of them.

Markus

Originally Posted by mapuc

^ Nippelspanner

I'm not talking or have mentioned children in my posting in this and the other thread.

I'm talking about grown-up men and woman and not all of them.

Markus

I wasn't referring to whatever you said at all, just to what bubblehead spilled out about the West's naivety.

[Skybird]

My only comment for the German attitude on the current desaster, is this: Insanity.

http://german.about.com/library/blgzauberl.htm

If madness rules and all hope for reason is lost, when lies get worshipped and telling the truth makes you an enemy of the state, when people do not know and do not want to know who they are and where they came from but nevertheless waste all resources to run ever faster, then all you can do in your life is to find something that is yours, carefully hide it from all world, and make that your refugium where you can hold out. Glad the one is who not only sees the need to find such a thing, but who actually finds it indeed.

I am so much done with this German people and society and state and EU and all that political BS. I'm sick of it. Europe will get what it deserves, and it won't be pretty. The self-deconstruction is home-made, the cause is megalomania and self-glorification, denial of economic realities and incompetence in understanding the nature of finances.

It all reminds of the building of the tower of Babel, and how it ended. It was a just end, and I do not feel tempted anymore to try to help avoiding this justice. After all, the various concepts of justice all include the implication that a certain consequence suffered by or brought upon the deliquent, is deserved.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Precisely! It's the worst case scenario; rule 1 of security: if you can think of it...the bad guys already have! Essentially a made to order situation to place 'sleeper' radical jihadists' in the West. Taliban and ISIS militants are not noted for missing opportunity.

Originally Posted by mapuc

Have said it is a highly possibility that some IS-supporters are among those refugees who has crossed the Danish-German border

I don't know how to put it and I hope I'm wrong very wrong

I have a feeling that in the near future we are going to be witness to a simultaneous terror attack across Europe.

Markus

Originally Posted by Skybird

My only comment for the German attitude on the current desaster, is this: Insanity.

is who not only sees the need to find such a thing, but who actually finds it indeed.

IN 2 DAY"S PAPER: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/da10facd92e841739efca5dee5e71a48/refugee-surge-europe-raises-concern-about-militants

When Islamic State extremists lost control of a key crossroads town in northern Syria in June, some militants shed their jihadi garb and blended in with the flood of Syrians fleeing across the Turkish border. Since then, the exodus of Syrians and Iraqis toward Europe has surged — and Europeans opposed to taking in more refugees say that more than ever, they fear "disguised terrorists" in their midst. Governments along the route have different assessments of the threat. Two senior Iraqi officials and a Syrian activist say a small group of hardened Islamic State extremists is believed to have left the war zones of Iraq and Syria to blend in with the masses of asylum seekers in recent weeks.
Intelligence officials in France and Germany expressed skepticism, saying they have no specific evidence.

Rule 2 of security: there is seldom specific evidence...until it is too late ...again!???

[Rockstar]

Almost impossible to discern who the radicals are. When the horde of Catholics migrated from Cuba. They too were infiltrated by radical Catholics which established alpha 66 and omega 7 and operated in the U.S.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Excuse me, sir or madam, are you a member or have ever been a member of a radical religious organisation bent on overthrowing the west?"

Funny you should ask that on this day! 1893: At precisely twelve noon, a cannon's boom unleashed the largest land rush America ever saw. Carried by all kinds of transportation - horses, wagons, trains, bicycles or on foot - an estimated 100,000 raced to claim plots of land in an area of land in northern Oklahoma Territory known as the Cherokee Strip. There had been a number of previous land rushes in the Territory - but this was the big one. IMHO: the radical religion was MANIFEST DESTINY (thanks ROCKSTAR)and it was bent on overthrowing the West...in this case the Treaty of 1828 Indian Territory There were only 42,000 parcels of land available - far too few to satisfy the hopes of all those 100,000 who raced for land that day. 'MERICA! Additionally, many of the "Boomers" - those who had waited for the cannon's boom before rushing into the land claim - found that a number of the choice plots had already been claimed by "Sooners". I suspect there are some ISIS boomers mix't in with the refugee sooners; nuthin' goes outta style.

[Rockstar]

Nothing can be done about the 2 or 3 radicals who might be traveling with thousands. Frankly, terrorism would not be my immediate concern. I think the biggest problem is the mass of people heading for unregulated borders, getting different governments to work together to stop the flow, the logistics of caring for them while things get sorted out and assuring citizens the situation is under control.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Oberon

although my question was directed more towards Aktungbby

Actually you separate the accompanied families from single young men of a certain age demographic; Isolate and thoroughly check out the singles first; it's not foolproof but it's a good deal better than the obvious current sloppiness which will leave post-Hebdo Europe exposed. Having, for years myself, checked every ID of every person; removed all Kirpan's from Sikhs entering Federal buildings (some objected on 'religious grounds') and personally inspected all rental bobtail trucks parked curbside by Federal buildings following Oklahoma City...it's slow, meticulous, and tedious; and there cannot be a single lapse. I recollect Ike kept an entire "army in captivity" following WWII https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmed_Enemy_Forces The number of Germans surrendering to U.S. forces shot up from 313,000 by the end of the first quarter of 1945, to 2.6 million by April 1945 and more than 5 million in May. Most were kept so until 1948?!! The Russian POWs did not fare as well...some until 1956. Due to the vast influx and danger this is, unfortunately, the best mass-model we have. Naturally the caloric-food issue should not be as severe as 1945. Technology should considerably speed the vetting/background process. The "kindness coefficient" already demonstated should be superior as well. Moreover the refugees cannot fail to appreciate the terrific strain imposed and would likely cooperate-considering what they're fleeing: literally a Götterdämmerung of sorts. It's not a great plan but everyone has to be checked w/o exception and it's the low-pay front line security types who gotta do it.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Well, obviously it's a given that there are Daesh agents in this crowd, but what are you going to do, stop and ask each one of them:
"Excuse me, sir or madam, are you a member or have ever been a member of a radical religious organisation bent on overthrowing the west?"

I get asked that on every single VISA application form.

In the british one you get asked that not once, but a number of times (also - if you have commited genocyde or warcrimes).

[HunterICX]

[mapuc]

And here we were thinking, that Saudi-Arabia wouldn't help in this refugees-crisis.

According to a Danish news paper-Saudi-Arabia Donates 200 mosques to Europe


Markus

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by mapuc

And here we were thinking, that Saudi-Arabia wouldn't help in this refugees-crisis.

According to a Danish news paper-Saudi-Arabia Donates 200 mosques to Europe


Markus

Please tell me that's a joke.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Please tell me that's a joke.

Found an English version.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/saudi...es-605755.html

Seems like no joke.

Markus