Europe's migrant problem

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by mapuc

On a Danish news side I read following

The conservative(C) who's a supporting party to the Government has said Denmark should send not only F-16 to bomb IS, but also special forces to protect civilians in Syria-which mean engage IS, Assad's soldiers and other fighting units in Syria, if they are a threat to civilians.

When I read it, I thought.

Russian soldiers are in Syria and now perhaps Danish Special forces

Not a good cocktail.

Edit. Since Sunday afternoon about 1300 Refugees and Immigrant has crossed the German-Danish Border. It's a little kind of Crisis here in Denmark. Most of them are heading for Sweden. About 500 has vanished, can't be found by the Danish police.


Markus

Muslin Trojan horses . The wests naivete and kindness will be our end.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Are we not heading to wards this thread ?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=215404

After have read Aktungbby latest post I start to wonder if we are heading to wards the thread about IS

Or is it me who is wrong.

Markus

Your not wrong at all; the threads are interwoven and interrelated. ISIS and the vacuum situation in Syria and Iraq have promulgated the Islamic Volksmarch into Europe. Half of the refugees are Syrian.

Originally Posted by Oberon

Well, it's all much of a muchness really. This thread is caused by that thread, and we don't have a solution for either.

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/09/08/438539779/the-migrant-crisis-by-the-numbers

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Muslin Trojan horses . The wests naivete and kindness will be our end.

Precisely! It's the worst case scenario; rule 1 of security: if you can think of it...the bad guys already have! Essentially a made to order situation to place 'sleeper' radical jihadists' in the West. Taliban and ISIS militants are not noted for missing opportunity.

[CCIP]

And I still ask you to try and replace "Muslim/Islamic" with "Jewish" in your grammar sometimes and see which side here sounds more like they're about to embark on a "Volksmarsch" here. Because to me that's pretty obvious, and the rhetoric is frighteningly the same, down to the metaphors and word choices.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by CCIP

And I still ask you to try and replace "Muslim/Islamic" with "Jewish" in your grammar sometimes and see which side here sounds more like they're about to embark on a "Volksmarsch" here. Because to me that's pretty obvious, and the rhetoric is frighteningly the same, down to the metaphors and word choices.

Not really the same as I don't recall reading about a ISIS style Jewish juggernaut trying to take over Europe but your point is taken.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Not really the same as I don't recall reading about a ISIS style Jewish juggernaut trying to take over Europe but your point is taken.

Well, you're about 70-80 years overdue and didn't live in Germany at that time, but as Oberon posted you'll probably could read that vile crap by that Mr Ford.

[Buddahaid]

Really? An armed and radical Jewish army beheading people, including other Jews, that caused waves of people fleeing to Europe that would also include a small but deadly amount of extremists? I do believe this is a different animal but the stripes are similar.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Your not wrong at all; the threads are interwoven and interrelated. ISIS and the vacuum situation in Syria and Iraq have promulgated the Islamic Volksmarch into Europe. Half of the refugees are Syrian. Precisely! It's the worst case scenario; rule 1 of security: if you can think of it...the bad guys already have! Essentially a made to order situation to place 'sleeper' radical jihadists' in the West. Taliban and ISIS militants are not noted for missing opportunity.

Originally Posted by CCIP

And I still ask you to try and replace "Muslim/Islamic" with "Jewish" in your grammar sometimes and see which side here sounds more like they're about to embark on a "Volksmarsch" here. Because to me that's pretty obvious, and the rhetoric is frighteningly the same, down to the metaphors and word choices.

I wasn't being insulting; just stating the case in reverse from the Germanic Volksmarch migrations centuries ago...now predominantly Islamic through the Balkans and Italy with thousands waiting on Lesbos....

Originally Posted by Oberon

Aye, never thought I'd see the US turn into the Fourth Reich...

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Not really the same as I don't recall reading about a ISIS style Jewish juggernaut trying to take over Europe but your point is taken.

Upon re-consideration, I think I'll stick with my point, as expressed here, in light of last April 16, which left me pretty unnerved. All refugees are clearly NOT equal enroute to the promised land... and the Sub-Saharan Muslims cannot be the only ones harboring hardwired Koranic anti-infidel feelings now massing on Europe. "...15 Muslim asylum-seekers reportedly threw 12 Christian asylum-seekers overboard as they made their way from Libya to Sicily this week. “We only pray to Allah here,” the men said, according to others on the boat who said they clung together to protect the remaining Christians from being victims of religiously motivated murder at sea". http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/11542320/Italy-accused-of-bringing-in-Islamist-terrorists-after-Christians-thrown-into-sea.html Like a miracle of transformation of old theocratic baggage will occur when their feet trod Europe's 'enlightened soil!!!??...I think not!

[CCIP]

That's actually a brilliant example of precisely the same type of propaganda techniques that I alluded to. I'm again wondering how this parallel is not apparent.

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Believe me, it's one of my biggest frustrations with the modern world. Thank God for the medication, that's all I can say.

Tell me about it

Seriously, I want to know what the objective difference is between posting that and posting this, especially if you replace "Jew" with "Muslim" and "Rabbi" with "Imam" etc. Goebbels would be proud.







Sure creeps me out.

[Rockstar]

As much as some Europeans here like to immediately equate any anti-immigration speak to nazism. You best get to work in your own union pretty dang quick and not worry so much about semantics or America becoming the 4th empire.

The E.U. better find solution really dang quick becuase there is a dramatic increase in anti-immigration parties rising up in Germany, the U.K., Sweden, Finland, Hungary and Austria. Because as Orban said you dont have 150,000 migrants arriving in Europe... you dont have 500,000 entering Europe. There are tens of millions, an endless supply of them from Syria alone. And they seem to be just walking right in and making themselves at home. Thats going to spell big trouble for years to come if you dont get a handle on this.

So dont worry about us Americans, what scares us is that we know how some over there are so easily mesmerized by unknown paper hangers. All thats needed to set Europe ablaze again is a scapegoat, such millions of illegal immigrants flooding borders unabated.

[August]

Originally Posted by Oberon

...a known paper hanger (what exactly does that mean anyway, heard it plenty of times but never actually have known)

A person who installs wall paper.

[Alex]

European televisions are suffering from an awesome and relentless propaganda campaign led by government media, great media entities, and I bet anyone living in the european union can see political leading personalities preaching for a massive and global commitment to ensure safe migratory flows.

Naturally, and of course, this is not philanthropy. If people living in Europe needed to engage in philanthropy activities, well that would be good... But we do NOT need to care about migrants !

Speaking about the country I live in, we already have masses living in great difficulties - homeless people, but I should mention first and foremost those millions of unemployed people, those millions of students just leaving the educational system without a job, as well as redundant workers who can't access the labour market any more, not to mention pensioners having an unstable job, etc., etc.

So we honestly have our share of misery in the country to arouse empathy and commiseration from the elites.

However, it is obvious the education of children is not regarded as a major issue - and this is certainly the case in many other countries as well - and yet, everyday everyone can notice the collapse of literacy rate in France, that is going to produce people who can't enter the production apparatus, resulting in precariousness of life, unemployment, poverty. Those people are not entitled to the empathy coming from the oligarchy right now or even before.

So, that sudden surge of media is not fortuitous, and it responds to a very precise agenda - keep that in mind. Also, very tactfully, media transfer that question from the political, geopolitical and economical points of view, to the moral one.
You don't get to hear about what's the root cause of this crisis, no one addresses accountability for that crisis, nor will you hear about social and economical consequences of that migratory invasion, nor about consequences on already existing migratory flows. No mention is made of the entire context in which this event occurs.
The focus is put on the moral issue - taken out of context, an ethereal issue - leaving only the possibility for a "yes" or "no" answer, making you feel like you'll be considered as the devil if you answer "no".

The question asked to those who live in the european union is simple, and formulated as follows : do you accept to let poor people die at the borders of the european community ?
Put that way, obviously the problem makes people feel like they have a gun to their heads, and this kind of political media coverage is done purposely.
So let's put aside that moralized media coverage psychologised to the extreme, and rather focus on the true origins of the problem, and more specifically what is at stake here.

First and foremost, we can see those who created conflicts related to that problem (syrian and libyan conflicts, destabilization of Egypt) supported Islamists actively (the Muslim Brotherhood was supported by Qatar in Egypt, and Qatar is involved with the french government and others, including the english and american ones ).
Destabilization of Tunisia, destruction of Libya, destruction of Syria, here again with Al Qaida's help. Not only did the french minister for foreign affairs called for the physical destruction of Bashar Al-Assad, but he also mentioned on the al-Nosra front (a militia following Al-Qaida's principles) that they do, I quote : "a good job in the area". That was many months ago. That just shows the absolute cynicism of those who rule these days.
They supported political islamism - be it jihadist or only electioneering like in Egypt - targeting economical and geopolitical benefits.

And we see that intellectual and moral cheat : pyromaniac fire fighters dressed as judges to draw up the bill of indictment against the European population that got no role in these wars. The french minister for foreign affairs drew up the bill of indictment against Hungary - that never participated in any war of aggression against Libya or against Syria - saying it's unacceptable that Hungary does its best to control the great tidal wave of migrants, and so respects the legal process - yet Hungary is indeed expected to do that, since it needs to secure part of the external border of the Schengen area as it shares a border with Serbia.

Fundamentally, these days, the german approach shows the european union's architecture as we know it is in a headlong rush. Why does Germany seems to open its arms to that massive islamic immigration ? Of course, this is no philanthropy. People supporting wars actively - be it in the Middle-East, or even in Ukraine - are not the type of people paying much attention to the human cost of operations they conduct. Let it not be said that the primary objective of german employers is to be the exemplary student in terms of international philanthropy. Of course, it's all about immediate financial interests. This is a short term vision, because Germany, just like other European countries, experiences an extremely important demographic crisis. And this is a good short-term way to claim to be able to fill the gaps at the bottom of the earning scale - at least that's what they think.
But more fundamentally, the german reaction planning to impose - with the help of France - that muslim immigration in countries from Eastern Europe (Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Poland, Baltic countries, and others) in the name of quotas decided by Brussels, is based on a very simple idea : half of the german gross domestic product gets exported. Out of that part of the german GDP, one quarter is destined for the european union. So it is just impossible for Germany to expect its industrial production apparatus - and its income - to be maintained if the Free Trade Area collapses. As simple as that.

The issue of massive immigration as it is these days - that is a consequence of geopolitical activities from the united states of America and their vassals from Western Europe - has an immediate consequence on the Balkans, Eastern Europe, and the Free Trade Area, including Germany. And Germany, in order to save the Free Trade Area, has no other choice than to force countries from Eastern Europe to accept that immigration, as the natural reflex of countries threatened by that immigration is to resort to the exit from the Schengen area (that is indeed designed to let peoples living in the european union be able to move around their respective countries).

But what we are witnessing now is the pure and simple absence of will to repel the invasion , whether in Greece or anywhere else. This is a collective resignation, and in fact every country lets his neighbour take care of the flow of migrants.

However, Hungarians, Slovakians, Poles that gained independence from the USSR tutelage and chose to defend their own culture and their freedom, certainly do not want to succumb to the influence of a system using coercion to maintain the german production equipment . The german blackmail - as well as the french one - consisting in saying things like "become a Muslim, become an African so that we can maintain our industry and our finance system", countries like Hungary are not going to accept that, nor Slovakia, nor any of the Eastern countries. They're not going to accept to abdicate their national character, their identity, so that benefits of german and french big employers can be kept afloat. That is impossible.

Therefore, the question of the €uro, and the question of the Free Trade Area the way it is constituted these days, are fundamentally threatened by that massive immigration jumping into the european union.
Obviously, the smart position of Germany should have been to repel massive immigration, whatever the means used, including the military force. Yet those countries from Western Europe, being culturally destroyed, and having acceded to an anti-culture consisting in cultural marxism, anti-racism, internationalism, as well as that simple idea that Europe is an open area where anyone can come and settle anywhere, no matter the religion, skin colour, etc. , disregarding History, is an anti-historic vision that countries from Eastern and Central Europe do not share. Those countries are aware of what they are, they know where they come from, they know what it costed them to maintain themselves as countries and peoples, and those nationalities are not going to dismiss themselves to please oligarchs and bourgeoisies from Paris, Berlin, Munich, or Frankfurt for example, not to mention London. That is an impossibility, one needs to fully understand that.

And behind that... There is the NATO question.
If the european union collapses economically and politically (in particular through the return of national borders in many countries), the NATO implosion is going to start. And Russia can see that. That country most probably intends to dismantle that structure threatening its borders. So a lot is at stake.

Let's speak about an existential issue, that was indeed the first problem of the european union on the day it was created. In all likelihood, no European nation is against the european union if it ever had been really European. Yet the word "European" is one too many in "european union". It's never been an European union in the cultural, civilizational, racial, and spiritual senses of the word. It's an artificial construction, getting more and more jacobin, authoritarian, centralistic, and rootless, a construction that got communist or socialist principles, so to speak, as funding principles. Principles like the one pretending that to be European, race and culture don't matter. That is an historical impossibility . And even in affected countries of Western Europe, populations rise up more and more against that derealized vision from elites governing the european union and governments from its member states.

May be some headlong rush from authorities from Western Europe, people who adhere to the atlanticist vision, people supporting employers from Western Europe (radically german)... And we may well be driving towards the collapse of that structure in the end, exactly like the USSR some time ago. And basically, the response from the elite/oligarchy can be nothing but coercive (that explains tougher security laws, and the threatening rhetoric toward populations, especially when it comes to immigration). Taking in consideration our politics these days (french president, prime ministers from countries concerned), there's way to feel like people are considered as enemies - see how you're talked to by authorities, what we handle in here sounds like a constant accusation of the french population that is kind of monitored... Looks very much like it's not going to lead to something good...

Naturally, that situation calls for a resistance. Everyday one can take notice of the divorce between populations - abandoned by their political leaders - and the great solidarity between the whole state apparatus and subsidised associations and government media constantly favouring foreigners.
It's just fascinating to see how much authorities and their pseudo-representatives loath their own population, how much they have absolutely no empathy for their own people, obviously shown through that great support they bring to foreigners they know nothing about, and who're going to threaten ourselves very soon, since we're facing a demographic transformation absolutely considerable.

[mapuc]

A FB friend posted an Italian article-which I didn't undertand a word of.

Here told me the article are saying

The Balkans is the main route now. 1.5mio is/could be on the way.

Here's the article

http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/mondo/...i-1168360.html

Markus

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Muslin Trojan horses . The wests naivete and kindness will be our end.

Yep, she's just waiting to end Europe.



Just look at her dark foreign eyes, full of hatred... burn Europe, burn!
Hope someone stops her...

[mapuc]

^ Nippelspanner

I'm not talking or have mentioned children in my posting in this and the other thread.

I'm talking about grown-up men and woman and not all of them.

Markus