Obamas green Energy plan is not very popular - Page 2

Schroeder · 08-04-15, 02:03 PM

Sooner or later we've got to go green anyway. We might as well do it while we still have time and fossil fuels in reserve. I don't want to wait for it to become a Greek model where everybody saw the end coming but no one had the balls to step on the brake.

ikalugin · 08-04-15, 02:23 PM

I think US should develop nuclear industry, or it would be left behind by various other countries, such as Russia in this regard.

mapuc · 08-04-15, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin

I think US should develop nuclear industry, or it would be left behind by various other countries, such as Russia in this regard.

Today the development in nuclear science have taken a huge step for ward since three mile island disaster.

In Norway there is this experimental reactor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoriu..._nuclear_power

Markus

Oberon · 08-04-15, 02:34 PM

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And how is nuclear power working out in UK?

Getting there, mostly French companies, EDF operate most of the stuff, GEC Alstom make reactors usually. I hear the Chinese are getting in on the market too, probably with the new reactors that are planned in the next five or so years, but it'll probably still be mainly French lead, they've got a good hold of the western european market, such as it is.

Betonov · 08-04-15, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

Today the development in nuclear science have taken a huge step for ward since three mile island disaster.

In Norway there is this experimental reactor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoriu..._nuclear_power

Markus

I'm keeping an eye on thorium power.
If it sounds too good to be true it usually is, but when it comes to thorium things are actually being made.

Too bad hippies can't differentiate between the age of Chernobyl and last gen reactors.

ikalugin · 08-04-15, 02:50 PM

I think that classical low enrichment reactors with fast neutron breeders is the way, with slow shift to the later (ie the BN series, existing BN800 and future BN1200).

Platapus · 08-04-15, 03:45 PM

GREEN ENERGY IS MADE FROM PEOPLE!

ikalugin · 08-04-15, 05:40 PM

We have this joke by technofascists that all humanitarian sciences people should be transformed into natural gas.

Stealhead · 08-04-15, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

Sooner or later we've got to go green anyway. We might as well do it while we still have time and fossil fuels in reserve. I don't want to wait for it to become a Greek model where everybody saw the end coming but no one had the balls to step on the brake.

The human races track record suggests that you may be slightly disappointed also Mad Max needs the oil wars to even exist.

Admiral Halsey · 08-04-15, 07:02 PM

Just build more nuke plants. With the latest generation of reactors IIRC a single fuel load can keep the running for 50+ years. Waste admittedly would still be a problem but I say do what we should've done and shoved it deep, way deep, like go to the tallest mountain and drill to the very bottom of it deep in the Rockies. Do that and the stuff would never get out.

Torplexed · 08-04-15, 07:32 PM

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Just build more nuke plants. With the latest generation of reactors IIRC a single fuel load can keep the running for 50+ years. Waste admittedly would still be a problem but I say do what we should've done and shoved it deep, way deep, like go to the tallest mountain and drill to the very bottom of it deep in the Rockies. Do that and the stuff would never get out.

We already have such a site building in Nevada. If storing nuclear waste at a place as remote, as desolate, as geologically stable as Yucca Mountain, threatens the health and safety of millions of Americans, then there is no safe place to store it.

The only reason it's not completed now is opposition from the NIMBYs in Nevada. Being such staunch environmentalists, I'm sure they'd cheer wildly if Hoover Dam was dismantled to allow the Colorado River to run free again and Vegas went dark.

Oberon · 08-04-15, 08:14 PM

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and Vegas went dark.

This could only improve things in Vegas...

Torplexed · 08-04-15, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

This could only improve things in Vegas...

Try blackjack during a blackout. You'll never go back to backgammon.

Admiral Halsey · 08-04-15, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

We already have such a site building in Nevada. If storing nuclear waste at a place as remote, as desolate, as geologically stable as Yucca Mountain, threatens the health and safety of millions of Americans, then there is no safe place to store it.

The only reason it's not completed now is opposition from the NIMBYs in Nevada. Being such staunch environmentalists, I'm sure they'd cheer wildly if Hoover Dam was dismantled to allow the Colorado River to run free again and Vegas went dark.

Forgot about Yucca Mountain. That place is pretty much apocalypse proof and probably the safest place in the world to keep the waste at.

Aktungbby · 08-04-15, 10:30 PM

^INDEED! Lootin', arson or....

A thriving urban legend arose in the wake of the blackout, claiming that a peak in the birthrate of the blacked-out areas of New York City was observed nine months after the incident. The myth originated in a series of three articles published in The New York Times in August 1966, in which interviewed doctors mentioned that they had noticed an increased number of births. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_1965 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_blackout_of_1977

08-04-15, 02:03 PM	#16
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Sooner or later we've got to go green anyway. We might as well do it while we still have time and fossil fuels in reserve. I don't want to wait for it to become a Greek model where everybody saw the end coming but no one had the balls to step on the brake. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

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ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I think US should develop nuclear industry, or it would be left behind by various other countries, such as Russia in this regard. __________________ Grumpy as always.

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ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I think that classical low enrichment reactors with fast neutron breeders is the way, with slow shift to the later (ie the BN series, existing BN800 and future BN1200). __________________ Grumpy as always. Last edited by ikalugin; 08-04-15 at 02:55 PM.

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,381 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	GREEN ENERGY IS MADE FROM PEOPLE! __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	We have this joke by technofascists that all humanitarian sciences people should be transformed into natural gas. __________________ Grumpy as always.

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Admiral Halsey Best Admiral in the USN Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USS Enterprise (CV-6) Posts: 1,740 Downloads: 317 Uploads: 0	Just build more nuke plants. With the latest generation of reactors IIRC a single fuel load can keep the running for 50+ years. Waste admittedly would still be a problem but I say do what we should've done and shoved it deep, way deep, like go to the tallest mountain and drill to the very bottom of it deep in the Rockies. Do that and the stuff would never get out.

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Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 30,036 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	we love our blackouts...literally! ^INDEED! Lootin', arson or.... A thriving urban legend arose in the wake of the blackout, claiming that a peak in the birthrate of the blacked-out areas of New York City was observed nine months after the incident. The myth originated in a series of three articles published in The New York Times in August 1966, in which interviewed doctors mentioned that they had noticed an increased number of births. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_1965 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_blackout_of_1977 __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!!