PS 4

[TarJak]

Can I play Silent Hunter anything on that console? How about adding mods? No? Not interested then.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Can I play Silent Hunter anything on that console? How about adding mods? No? Not interested then.

You can't play Halo on it either, so it's useless

[the_tyrant]

I'll probably get both soon. I did the math a while back that says its a good idea to buy early:


A the last console generation lasted for 7 years. If you bought a launch day ps3, over the course of 7 years, the TCO would average down to approximately 23 cents a day. (launch price of 599 divided by 365 * 7)

If you bought a PS3 1 year after the price drop, the TCO averages down to 22.6 cents a day. You would save less than 1cent a day! (price drop to 499 divided by 365 * 6)

But than, the "marginal happiness" of me enjoying all the new games before everyone else would start to wear off! I still remember the first time I went to my buddy's house to experience new generation consoles. Wii Sports blew my goddamned mind!



I don't know which one I am going to buy yet. It boils down to this for me:

I want to play shooters: both consoles are equal
I want to play hack and slash: slight edge to xbox
I want to play sports: edge to playstation
I want to play party games (dancing and what not): edge to xbox
I want to watch movies and media: slight edge to xbox
I want to watch sports: slight edge to xbox
I want to play japanese games: edge to playstation
I want to play with my friends: i donno yet, depends on what they get isn't it?

[BossMark]

Screw the PS4 for now, lets see if any decent games are out in around 6 months time. And is it true you cant play your PS3 games on it

[TarJak]

[QUOTE=the_tyrant;2141866]

I don't know which one I am going to buy yet. It boils down to this for me:

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

I want to play shooters: both consoles are equal

Can do that on my PC with better graphics and mods.

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

I want to play hack and slash: slight edge to xbox

Can do that on my PC with better graphics and mods.

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

I want to play sports: edge to playstation

Can do that on my PC with better graphics and mods.

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

I want to play party games (dancing and what not): edge to xbox

Don;t do this but the kids have a Wii they can use for that if they want.

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

I want to watch movies and media: slight edge to xbox

Can do that on my PC with better graphics.

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

I want to watch sports: slight edge to xbox

Can do that on my PC with better graphics.

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

I want to play japanese games: edge to playstation

I don't do this so don't care.

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

I want to play with my friends: i donno yet, depends on what they get isn't it?

Can do that on my PC with better results and mods.

Looks like I'm tooled up and ready to go.

[Jimbuna]

^LOL...part with some of your dosh to help the games industry if nothing else

I do agree with you though...quite happy with my PC.

[Wolferz]

All of the above and I built my PC myself so I know what's in there.

X Box will never get another dime out of me when you consider that my first two spent more time in a coffin on a UPS truck than they did in my home.

I had a preview of the PS-4 yesterday. It ships with a 500 gig hard drive. It will hold @ eleven games Maybe fewer.

It's not worth the money.

[Onkel Neal]

New X box? I just bought my first one !


I will probably wait a couple years and buy an Xbox One used through Cowboom.com for $100 like my Xbox 360.

[the_tyrant]

[QUOTE=TarJak;2141890]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

I don't know which one I am going to buy yet. It boils down to this for me:

Can do that on my PC with better graphics and mods.
Can do that on my PC with better graphics and mods.
Can do that on my PC with better graphics and mods.
Don;t do this but the kids have a Wii they can use for that if they want.
Can do that on my PC with better graphics.
Can do that on my PC with better graphics.
I don't do this so don't care.
Can do that on my PC with better results and mods.

Looks like I'm tooled up and ready to go.

dude, you can't think like this. I have a 2000$ PC, its on my desk for serious work and gaming.

these consoles are under 500! You can't find me a single PC under 500 that even approaches these consoles in gaming performance. I think about it completely differently now:

wanna play the shooter on a couch with a buddy? I go to my console. Wanna play a casual racer? I go to my console. Wanna watch some NFL or MLB on the weekend? I go to my console. When my favorite team is losing, I'll just pull out madden and demolish their team, or start up mlb the show and knock in a few home runs.


understand that PC and consoles are competing with a different market. There is no point just saying "my PC is better" all the time, there are use cases where consoles are objectively better

PCs are better with RTS games and Simulators, they are objectively better, no need to argue. But consoles are objectively better with sports games (Madden is console only, MLB the Show is a sony exclusive, Fifa is objectively better on next gen consoles with the new engine), fighting games (my favorite Dead or alive is console only. Sony All Stars and Super Smash Bros are exclusive for their consoles), and anything from Japan (PC gaming isn't big there).

PCs and consoles are a different experience for me. Even with all the recent developments since the late 90s to move PCs into the living room (tv tuners, ir remotes, windows media center, controller support, Steam big picture) pcs are still a "desk thing". I would go to my pc for some serious gaming by myself, but if i want to play with friends on a couch, console is still the way to go.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

I did the math a while back that says its a good idea to buy early:

A the last console generation lasted for 7 years.

I see your maths, I'll add the RROD into the mix (PS3 flavours of this are also available).

Now what's the daily cost?

(And I'm talking about a 'buy early' thing and suffer just out of warranty, not a wait for a small hardware change or the miracle 'fix it' video on you tube to sort it out yourself - or for those that love their console but aren't really tech-savvy beyond their dozen buttons and couple of sticks on a controller - their realistic option is either take it to a man that can, or buy new.)

[Red October1984]

So my Xbox 360 quit working....and we got another one for $110

I'm going to ride it for all it's worth until I have to make the switch.

[soopaman2]

*slaps a 40$ pair of RAM chips into his pc*

I just saved myself 300 $ buying a console, the only upgrade in the next gen consoles is RAM.
6 gigs of ram, thats it...That is all you get for 5 years. I cannot commit to a console, PC is not totally killed yet....almost, but not yet.

[Sailor Steve]

I don't see why this turned into an argument. Some people want consoles to play all their favorite games on. Some people want PCs to work on. Some want both.

I'm still using the same PC I bought in 2005 so I could play Silent Hunter III. I'm glad it hasn't died yet because I can't afford a new PC, console or anything at the moment.

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

I see your maths, I'll add the RROD into the mix (PS3 flavours of this are also available).

Now what's the daily cost?

(And I'm talking about a 'buy early' thing and suffer just out of warranty, not a wait for a small hardware change or the miracle 'fix it' video on you tube to sort it out yourself - or for those that love their console but aren't really tech-savvy beyond their dozen buttons and couple of sticks on a controller - their realistic option is either take it to a man that can, or buy new.)

Well you see, the total generation survival rate of the Xbox 360 (for the original fat one) is approximately 60% according to a survey of a variety of sources. The PS3's (again, original fat one) fares better with a survival rate of like 75 percent.

Surprisingly, all my gaming hardware survived, the only one that "perished in the line of duty" was my PSP 3000, that died in the washing machine. So it was luck, and not hardware quality.

I understand the thinking, usually after 3 years, you get a new hardware revision for the consoles, and usually a 100$ price drop. And its true, 30% of all xboxes lived to see their 4th birthday.

However, lets redo the math with this as a consideration:

playstation 3 launch was in 2006, by the time the slim came out (aka, the new model that had a high survival rate), it was 2010.

The slim was 200$ cheaper, and according to my own data working at an electronics store, it costs 100$ to get your playstation (or xbox, we had a flat rate) fixed of major damage.

Now the new generation of consoles comes out on 2013. Thus if you buy the slim model, you would get 3 years of service time out of it. The old fat one would get you 7 years of service time (math is almost the same with the 360, so I'll do it once)

So the fat one is 599 at launch, and the slim launched at 399.


If you are lucky, and your console did not break. It would cost you 599/7 years is 23 cents per day. If you are unlucky, and you needed to get it fixed once, it would have cost you 27 cents (699/ 7 years) per day.

If you bought the slim, you would have gotten 3 years of service out of it. Its actually 36 cents a day!


Now I get that gaming habits are different, and for me, i usually phase my old devices out of service after games slowly start drying up.

However, in my experience, the "cheap" PS3 slim SKU is actually amazing as a media player, and thus it would vastly outlive the "console generation". While my little brother is watching the Toronto Blue Jays get beat up on the main TV, I'll just go to a secondary TV, pop on the PS3 slim that i got on sale, and turn on MLB TV. Its a great little machine for that use, and I can anticipate using it like that for a long time.

PS: So a thing that I like about the new consoles is actually how little power they consume. Both of them consume 100 something watts under full load. This might actually encourage me to phase out my old fat consoles that consume a ton of power, and even make my use my 1000 watt monster PC a bit less. I mean, considering that the average person spends like what, 4 hours a day in front of the boob tube? if I save 800 watts for 4 hours per day, for 7 years, it does add up.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

Well you see, the total generation survival rate of <SNIP> it does add up.

Thanks for responding to my comments, and for doing more maths.

I think I've still got my original Playstation from '96 too, don't think it reads the disks any more though but it served me well from -29°C to +40°C, and it'd been thoroughly abused in tents and hotels on ops and exercises in UK fields, German airfields, Italy, Kosovo, Bahrain, Oman, by roughly 80 different people.