Tyranny from the IRS

[vienna]

Pathetic, Bubbles, just plain pathetic...


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[vienna]

FYI, the ACLU geneally only helps you if you are poor, non white, or fighting something religious, unless you are a muslim who tried to attack the US.

BTW, re: the ACLU and who they defend:


https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/cit...u-amicus-brief

Research is a wonderful thing; try it sometimes - I promise it won't hurt...


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[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by vienna

BTW, re: the ACLU and who they defend:


https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/cit...u-amicus-brief

Research is a wonderful thing; try it sometimes - I promise it won't hurt...


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Do you even live here? I have real world experience with the ACLU.Generally speaking, they only handle cases involving non whites etc Now, is that their official policy? No but is it generally what they do? Yes. Example, I once met with the local director in my home town who refused to lift a finger to help a white, middle class guy facing some issues with the local police.Maybe a year later, same type of case, it was all over local news, black client and ACLU was helping him.This repeats itself all over the country.Do they help white people sometimes? Yes but generally ? no, unless it has do with religion. Just how it is and is one reason that organization is so reviled by many.The name and it's purpose sounds great, but the left wing loons who run the show there have ruined it, then again if I recall the founder was a communist, so makes sense.Thin they would take up the case of a tax protester? Doubt it, unless they were black, but maybe not even then.

[vienna]

Still pathetic...


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[Sailor Steve]

Too much excitement! Vienna, please tone down the sarcasm. It's not much better than out-and-out insult. Bubblehead, please don't get so wound up. You have to understand that while you may be right about this, you also be wrong.

[vienna]

Sorry Steve, will comply...


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[vienna]

From a Google search (search term:"ACLU defend conservative"):

http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/

http://www.alternet.org/speakeasy/20...ter-their-guns

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/10/02/us...ted=all&src=pm

http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.co...ervatives.html

http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesau...#axzz2joAnNATh

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-con...ms-345008.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/21/us...ndictment.html


There are a whole lot more but I leave that to others to look up...


And this has been argued before - in 2006!:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222262



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[TarJak]

Bubbles, what have you done about this injustice? Have you written to your congressman or senator to get the unjust law repealed? Have you made any attempt to assist the persecuted?

Posting a poorly researched rant on Subsim is the best way to get the law changed? Try doing something about it, if it is such a problem that gets up your nose so much.

[vienna]

^^^ What he said +1 ...


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[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Bubbles, what have you done about this injustice? Have you written to your congressman or senator to get the unjust law repealed? Have you made any attempt to assist the persecuted?

Posting a poorly researched rant on Subsim is the best way to get the law changed? Try doing something about the problem if it is such a problem that gets up your nose so much.

That's... that's actually a very good point.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Bubbles, what have you done about this injustice? Have you written to your congressman or senator to get the unjust law repealed? Have you made any attempt to assist the persecuted?

Posting a poorly researched rant on Subsim is the best way to get the law changed? Try doing something about it, if it is such a problem that gets up your nose so much.

Tarjak, I am involved with this offline and online, I have protested, I have written letters to various officials and absolutely plan to write a book one day in the future on this issue.Once I am practicing, I plan to handle as many of these type of cases as possible, .Honestly, you don't know me and it's insulting for you to sit here and say all I have done is talk about this on subsim.I share the message as much as possible, so why don't you think before you speak, thanks.

Poorly researched? no I looked them up, I see them as victims of a tyrannical government.I coudl care less if they broke this law.They are standing up to an unjust law and now, the wife is being persecuted, even after the judge offered a reasonable compromise but the tyrants at the IRS said NO, because they want to show their power by putting a citizen in jail for daring to challenge them.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Too much excitement! Vienna, please tone down the sarcasm. It's not much better than out-and-out insult. Bubblehead, please don't get so wound up. You have to understand that while you may be right about this, you also be wrong.

Thank you for being fair.I do tend to get fired up on this subject, especially those who defend the government.Like I always say, there are possibilities I am wrong but this is a case when I know I am not.Facts are cut and dry, they oppose the government and income tax, that aside, she is being persecuted because refuses to sign a document, so they want to put her in prison.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Like I always say, there are possibilities I am wrong but this is a case when I know I am not.

And that's what I'm talking about. Believing in something, and being passionate about it, is a good thing, but you have to be able to show it, not just say it. If you can't show it, you don't know it.

Facts are cut and dry, they oppose the government and income tax, that aside, she is being persecuted because refuses to sign a document, so they want to put her in prison.

It is not a fact that she is being persecuted, it is an opinion. The government's opinion is that she is being prosecuted, and rightly so. My opinion is that the law needs to be changed and the IRS needs to go, but it has to be done within the law.

It is an undeniable fact that she broke the law. Right or wrong, no government can ever let that go unanswered, especially if the law is an arbitrary one. It's not a matter of wanting to "show their power", it's a matter of using that power or losing it. If they let this go it will only encourage others. The jury will decide this.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by vienna

BTW, re: the ACLU and who they defend:


https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/cit...u-amicus-brief

Research is a wonderful thing; try it sometimes - I promise it won't hurt...


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Ok, so they got it right for once, but I will maintain my stance.That is what I said generally speaking, meaning they may get it right sometimes but like I mentioned in other post, they have an agenda and it does not always involve all citizens.