sh3 v sh5 - Page 2

desertstriker · 08-04-13, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

SH3 will still be going strong after SH5 has gone the way of the dinosaur's.

Yes I am being bias, very bias.

no you're not being biased its the truth HAHA

AndreasT · 08-04-13, 03:19 PM

When you guys say a beefy system, how much is a beefy system?

desertstriker · 08-04-13, 05:02 PM

well lets just say play Battlefield 3 on medium graphics settings beefy as a good reference. so looking at the recomended specs for BF3

OS: Windows 7 64-bit
PROCESSOR: Quad-core CPU
MEMORY (RAM): 4 GB
GRAPHICS CARD: DirectX 11 compatible with 1024 MB RAM (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 or ATI Radeon 6950)

aixoth · 08-05-13, 03:11 PM

Wow, I just looked at some of the recommended mod lists for sh5. That's a lot to keep track of. I found out my comp does meet the minimum requirements but if I need to install 10+(at the minimum it seems) mods just to fix the broken parts, then I think my time will be better spent just playing sh3.

Jimbuna · 08-05-13, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by aixoth

Wow, I just looked at some of the recommended mod lists for sh5. That's a lot to keep track of. I found out my comp does meet the minimum requirements but if I need to install 10+(at the minimum it seems) mods just to fix the broken parts, then I think my time will be better spent just playing sh3.

Play what your computer specs will allow but most importantly...enjoy the experience.

TDK1044 · 08-05-13, 03:37 PM

To me, SH5 is like a modern movie about a WWII submarine, but SHIII is Das Boot. It's older, less flashy, but full of atmosphere.

BigWalleye · 08-05-13, 04:23 PM

Released in 1981, Das Boot is closer in age to today than to WW2. It is a modern movie about a WW2 submarine, very different from movies made during and immediately aftet the war, regardless of their country of origin. It doesn't have CG fx, but neither does Ep 4, a pretty modern movie.

TDK1044 · 08-06-13, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BigWalleye

Released in 1981, Das Boot is closer in age to today than to WW2. It is a modern movie about a WW2 submarine, very different from movies made during and immediately aftet the war, regardless of their country of origin. It doesn't have CG fx, but neither does Ep 4, a pretty modern movie.

To me, the quaint WWII sub movies of the post war era were amusing but really not very realistic. Das Boot is the movie that gave me the feeling of actually being in a U Boat, and it was the reason that I purchased SHIII.

More modern movies often rely on cg fx as a substitute for lack of plot, and such movies are therefore not for me.

flag4 · 08-06-13, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

To me, SH5 is like a modern movie about a WWII submarine, but SHIII is Das Boot. It's older, less flashy, but full of atmosphere.

...hits the nail on the head!

BassII · 08-06-13, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by flag4

...hits the nail on the head!

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

To me, the quaint WWII sub movies of the post war era were amusing but really not very realistic. Das Boot is the movie that gave me the feeling of actually being in a U Boat, and it was the reason that I purchased SHIII.

More modern movies often rely on cg fx as a substitute for lack of plot, and such movies are therefore not for me.

+1

BigWalleye · 08-06-13, 12:06 PM

Das Boot is a strongly anti-war film based on a strongly anti-war book written during the height of anti-war politics of the Seventies. It is no more an accurate portrayal of submarine warfare than the rah-rah jingoistic films of the 40s. The portrayal of U-boat sailors as a bunch of happy-go-lucky youths ambushed by a KM recruiter on their way to watch a soccer match does a disservice to the professionalism and discipline of the German navy. I say this as an ardent anti-Nazi.

YMMV

TDK1044 · 08-07-13, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BigWalleye

Das Boot is a strongly anti-war film based on a strongly anti-war book written during the height of anti-war politics of the Seventies. It is no more an accurate portrayal of submarine warfare than the rah-rah jingoistic films of the 40s. The portrayal of U-boat sailors as a bunch of happy-go-lucky youths ambushed by a KM recruiter on their way to watch a soccer match does a disservice to the professionalism and discipline of the German navy. I say this as an ardent anti-Nazi.

YMMV

The point I made regarding Das Boot was that it was the only film I've seen that made me feel as if I was on a WWII submarine....not in terms of the politics of the movie, but in terms of the atmosphere created.

The set was constructed in a way that no submaine movie before it had been. It was difficult to shoot, and the feeling of a crampted, uncomfortable environment was conveyed beautifully.

To me, SHIII conveyed that atmosphere pretty well, and the later games in the franchise were less successful. That's why I prefer SHIII over the later versions of the game.

BigWalleye · 08-07-13, 06:32 AM

I certainly agree with your preference for SH3 over SH5 (and SH4 for that matter). Just my reaction, but the submarine in SH5 seems too high-tech and cyber. It's like a modern replica of a vintage sports car - mostly looks right, but with A/C and power windows. And no oil drip on your pant leg! SH3, on the other hand, for all its dated graphics and clunky animation (or maybe because of them?) has a WW2, flesh-on-steel feel to it.

Plus, SH5 has a sense of being scripted that OHII can not erase. The man-management is a good idea, but the execution is very canned - after a while, you know everyone's story and how to respond to them, and it becomes more button-pushing. Personalities and back-stories never change. IMO. that aspect would have worked much better if the personal stories were less detailed but more variable.

OTOH, the graphics in SH5 are beautiful. And, as TDW points out, the game engine has the potential to be so much more detailed and accurate than SH3 can ever be. But, for now, SH3 is so much more immersive. It is the difference between role-playing and playing a part in a movie.

Aktungbby · 08-07-13, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

In some ways yes. SH5 has been described as less of a sub sim and more of a captain sim. Many of the problems have been fixed by mods, but while it looks a lot better it still doesn't have the breadth and depth of SH3, and nothing has been done to change that in the last three years.

Will SHIII play on windows 7? If so I"ll give it a whirl.

Jimbuna · 08-07-13, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Will SHIII play on windows 7? If so I"ll give it a whirl.

Works fine on my W7 OS

08-04-13, 05:02 PM	#18
desertstriker Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2012 Location: mod soup bar and grill Posts: 1,756 Downloads: 998 Uploads: 0	well lets just say play Battlefield 3 on medium graphics settings beefy as a good reference. so looking at the recomended specs for BF3 OS: Windows 7 64-bit PROCESSOR: Quad-core CPU MEMORY (RAM): 4 GB GRAPHICS CARD: DirectX 11 compatible with 1024 MB RAM (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 or ATI Radeon 6950)

08-05-13, 04:23 PM	#22
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Released in 1981, Das Boot is closer in age to today than to WW2. It is a modern movie about a WW2 submarine, very different from movies made during and immediately aftet the war, regardless of their country of origin. It doesn't have CG fx, but neither does Ep 4, a pretty modern movie. Last edited by BigWalleye; 08-05-13 at 09:14 PM.

08-04-13, 03:19 PM	#17
AndreasT Loader Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Berlin, Germany. Posts: 89 Downloads: 180 Uploads: 0	When you guys say a beefy system, how much is a beefy system?

08-05-13, 03:11 PM	#19
aixoth Nub Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 3 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Wow, I just looked at some of the recommended mod lists for sh5. That's a lot to keep track of. I found out my comp does meet the minimum requirements but if I need to install 10+(at the minimum it seems) mods just to fix the broken parts, then I think my time will be better spent just playing sh3.

08-05-13, 03:37 PM	#21
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	To me, SH5 is like a modern movie about a WWII submarine, but SHIII is Das Boot. It's older, less flashy, but full of atmosphere.

08-06-13, 12:06 PM	#26
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Das Boot is a strongly anti-war film based on a strongly anti-war book written during the height of anti-war politics of the Seventies. It is no more an accurate portrayal of submarine warfare than the rah-rah jingoistic films of the 40s. The portrayal of U-boat sailors as a bunch of happy-go-lucky youths ambushed by a KM recruiter on their way to watch a soccer match does a disservice to the professionalism and discipline of the German navy. I say this as an ardent anti-Nazi. YMMV

08-07-13, 06:32 AM	#28
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	I certainly agree with your preference for SH3 over SH5 (and SH4 for that matter). Just my reaction, but the submarine in SH5 seems too high-tech and cyber. It's like a modern replica of a vintage sports car - mostly looks right, but with A/C and power windows. And no oil drip on your pant leg! SH3, on the other hand, for all its dated graphics and clunky animation (or maybe because of them?) has a WW2, flesh-on-steel feel to it. Plus, SH5 has a sense of being scripted that OHII can not erase. The man-management is a good idea, but the execution is very canned - after a while, you know everyone's story and how to respond to them, and it becomes more button-pushing. Personalities and back-stories never change. IMO. that aspect would have worked much better if the personal stories were less detailed but more variable. OTOH, the graphics in SH5 are beautiful. And, as TDW points out, the game engine has the potential to be so much more detailed and accurate than SH3 can ever be. But, for now, SH3 is so much more immersive. It is the difference between role-playing and playing a part in a movie.