Hello everyone, and questions...

Wolfwind · 12-02-12, 05:11 AM

Hello everyone!

I finally got active on Subism, after reading it for a while.
I've got two questions:

1. I've got some strange problem (in SH3) with torpedo tubes hatches. From time to time, I cannot open them, separately from firing (i.e. the "q" key doesn't work). Normally, loading a previous save helps it, but I am a bit annoyed with crap. Had anyone encountered similar bug? What can I do about it ?

2. I recently turned on the event camera on, just to check my torpedo runes, for a sake of training. What I've seen, made me happy, as ma manual targeting proves quite alright, but very often my torp hits the ship, only to bounce off it, without exploding. After that, it drowns, hits the bottom, and then explodes. While it happens very often within 090 degrees shots, it is probably not the matter of angle being too wide, but also can it be a dud, if it finally explodes ? What makes them glance off?

Happy to get any answers.

Take care
Wolfwind

sublynx · 12-02-12, 06:06 AM

1. If I remember correctly I have had this bug once or twice after trying to open an empty torpedo tube with the Q command. I can't remember what needs to be done to make the tube loadable again. I'd try shooting to "empty" the empty tube, and then diving to 50 meters and trying to close the tube again. Then I'd surface and try there as well. Maybe some-else remembers what needs to be done. (You do have enough crewmen in your torpedo compartments, don't you - once I tried to load a torpedo, but the crewmen were too fatigued for it)
2. I guess that's a dud, although I don't know if that kind of behaviour is realistic for a torpedo. I would think there could be a kind of "detonate at the end of the run so as not to detonate under a friendly ship later on" kind of mechanism in torpedoes that could work independent from the impact pistols.

Welcome to the forum

u crank · 12-02-12, 02:37 PM

Welcome to SUBSIM Wolfwind.

Jimbuna · 12-02-12, 04:12 PM

Welcome to SubSim, could you advise what setup and mods (if any) you are using.

Wolfwind · 12-02-12, 04:15 PM

None. I use vanilla.

Laufen zum Ziel · 12-02-12, 05:00 PM

Welcome mate.

Pisces · 12-02-12, 05:53 PM

1: Don't know for sure, but could it be a lack of manpower in the torpedo rooms. Are they too tired perhaps. Anyway, in the conning tower should be a switch panel with which you can open the doors also.

2: It's probably the curvature of the hull. Impact torpedoes work best when they hit a vertical section of the hull with their front. Set the depth a little higher so they avoid the curved section. But in heavy waves this may not be possible to be avoided. Ships move up an down on the waves so it's just a matter of being lucky.

Gerald · 12-02-12, 09:46 PM

Wolfwind · 12-03-12, 03:55 AM

Well,I just found out, that my "q", floods the tubes, only it won't put the acknowledgment in the news scroll.

HW3 · 12-03-12, 09:34 AM

Welcome aboard!

There is a 300M minimum arming distance on the torpedoes. Any shots closer than that will bounce off.

Steve Gad · 08-04-13, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfwind

(snip)......very often my torp hits the ship, only to bounce off it, without exploding. After that, it drowns, hits the bottom, and then explodes. While it happens very often within 090 degrees shots, it is probably not the matter of angle being too wide, but also can it be a dud, if it finally explodes ? What makes them glance off?

Happy to get any answers.

Take care
Wolfwind

They did have massive problems with duds early on in the war, so maybe the sim models that same frustration. I know I've had a ship at point blank range, already wounded, and with 2 Torps left, only to lose them both to the bottom. I finally figured I was way too close for the Torps to be effective - as I'd imagine less than 50ft to be. In frustration - and having emptied my useless flak ammo at it - I took to ramming my adversary. All I ended up doing was alerting half the Atlantic to my efforts, so the British Navy could have a good belly laugh.

I'm not 100% sure but I'd imagine there to be some kind of delayed arming (as in the RPG) to prevent premature detonation, but as I say I can't be sure if I read that, or I'm just trying for an educated guess. It IS frustrating for sure to steam out to sea, wait hours then watch what is essentially just a big sausage tap gently on Tommy's hull.

BassII · 08-04-13, 11:18 AM

Many old WWII torpedoes didn't explod when hitting outside 70+ degree on the target, and when using a higher torpedo run in rough water, they exploded when lift off water and hit a wave!

Jimbuna · 08-04-13, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfwind

Hello everyone!

I finally got active on Subism, after reading it for a while.
I've got two questions:

1. I've got some strange problem (in SH3) with torpedo tubes hatches. From time to time, I cannot open them, separately from firing (i.e. the "q" key doesn't work). Normally, loading a previous save helps it, but I am a bit annoyed with crap. Had anyone encountered similar bug? What can I do about it ?

2. I recently turned on the event camera on, just to check my torpedo runes, for a sake of training. What I've seen, made me happy, as ma manual targeting proves quite alright, but very often my torp hits the ship, only to bounce off it, without exploding. After that, it drowns, hits the bottom, and then explodes. While it happens very often within 090 degrees shots, it is probably not the matter of angle being too wide, but also can it be a dud, if it finally explodes ? What makes them glance off?

Happy to get any answers.

Take care
Wolfwind

The Germans had torpedo problems early in the war:

http://www.uboat.net/history/torpedo_crisis.htm

All torpedoes need to run 300m before they are armed, the exception being the Falke which requires 400m.

Brag · 08-05-13, 07:55 AM

Wolfwind, welcome to this nest of murderous vipers

Ligne Maginot · 08-05-13, 10:17 AM

Maybe I do not understand your question, but with the stock of sh3 when selecting a tube and you open it, switching tube with the "Y" (or click on another tube) has the effect of closing the previous one. But if you like you can do the following:

1. - Look for the "Commands_en.cfg".
2. - Open it and look for the following entries:

[Cmd309]
Name = Close_torpedo_tube
Ctxt = 1

[Cmd312]
Name = Toggle_open_close_torpedo_tube
Ctxt = 1

3. - Now, these should look like:

; [Cmd309]
, Name = Close_torpedo_tube
; Ctxt = 1

; [Cmd312]
, Name = Toggle_open_close_torpedo_tube
; Ctxt = 1

So you can have open several tubes without having to fire a salvo ... I do not know if this is realistic, commanders always fired a torpedo or a salvo. The idea seems to be of makman94.

Good Hunting.

12-02-12, 05:11 AM	#1
Wolfwind Swabbie Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 8 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Hello everyone, and questions... Hello everyone! I finally got active on Subism, after reading it for a while. I've got two questions: 1. I've got some strange problem (in SH3) with torpedo tubes hatches. From time to time, I cannot open them, separately from firing (i.e. the "q" key doesn't work). Normally, loading a previous save helps it, but I am a bit annoyed with crap. Had anyone encountered similar bug? What can I do about it ? 2. I recently turned on the event camera on, just to check my torpedo runes, for a sake of training. What I've seen, made me happy, as ma manual targeting proves quite alright, but very often my torp hits the ship, only to bounce off it, without exploding. After that, it drowns, hits the bottom, and then explodes. While it happens very often within 090 degrees shots, it is probably not the matter of angle being too wide, but also can it be a dud, if it finally explodes ? What makes them glance off? Happy to get any answers. Take care Wolfwind

12-02-12, 06:06 AM	#2
sublynx Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: In the conning tower of my VIIC scanning the sea through the periscope Posts: 1,698 Downloads: 173 Uploads: 7	1. If I remember correctly I have had this bug once or twice after trying to open an empty torpedo tube with the Q command. I can't remember what needs to be done to make the tube loadable again. I'd try shooting to "empty" the empty tube, and then diving to 50 meters and trying to close the tube again. Then I'd surface and try there as well. Maybe some-else remembers what needs to be done. (You do have enough crewmen in your torpedo compartments, don't you - once I tried to load a torpedo, but the crewmen were too fatigued for it) 2. I guess that's a dud, although I don't know if that kind of behaviour is realistic for a torpedo. I would think there could be a kind of "detonate at the end of the run so as not to detonate under a friendly ship later on" kind of mechanism in torpedoes that could work independent from the impact pistols. Welcome to the forum __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] NYGM+H.sie v16+Stiebler 4C+MaGui WS

12-02-12, 02:37 PM	#3
u crank Old enough to know better Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Prince Edward Island Posts: 11,747 Downloads: 136 Uploads: 0	Welcome to SUBSIM Wolfwind. __________________ “Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” ― Arthur C. Clarke

12-02-12, 04:12 PM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,661 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Welcome to SubSim, could you advise what setup and mods (if any) you are using. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-02-12, 05:00 PM	#6
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12-02-12, 04:15 PM	#5
Wolfwind Swabbie Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 8 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	None. I use vanilla.

12-02-12, 05:53 PM	#7
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,904 Downloads: 304 Uploads: 0	1: Don't know for sure, but could it be a lack of manpower in the torpedo rooms. Are they too tired perhaps. Anyway, in the conning tower should be a switch panel with which you can open the doors also. 2: It's probably the curvature of the hull. Impact torpedoes work best when they hit a vertical section of the hull with their front. Set the depth a little higher so they avoid the curved section. But in heavy waves this may not be possible to be avoided. Ships move up an down on the waves so it's just a matter of being lucky.

12-02-12, 09:46 PM	#8
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Welcome to SubSim Wolfwind! __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

12-03-12, 03:55 AM	#9
Wolfwind Swabbie Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 8 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Well,I just found out, that my "q", floods the tubes, only it won't put the acknowledgment in the news scroll.

12-03-12, 09:34 AM	#10
HW3 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gresham Oregon Posts: 6,576 Downloads: 458 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard! There is a 300M minimum arming distance on the torpedoes. Any shots closer than that will bounce off. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink...others require our assistance." Nathan Zelk

08-04-13, 11:18 AM	#12
BassII Bosun Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Scandinavia. Posts: 62 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Many old WWII torpedoes didn't explod when hitting outside 70+ degree on the target, and when using a higher torpedo run in rough water, they exploded when lift off water and hit a wave!

08-05-13, 07:55 AM	#14
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Wolfwind, welcome to this nest of murderous vipers __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

08-05-13, 10:17 AM	#15
Ligne Maginot Gunner Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 94 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 0	Maybe I do not understand your question, but with the stock of sh3 when selecting a tube and you open it, switching tube with the "Y" (or click on another tube) has the effect of closing the previous one. But if you like you can do the following: 1. - Look for the "Commands_en.cfg". 2. - Open it and look for the following entries: [Cmd309] Name = Close_torpedo_tube Ctxt = 1 [Cmd312] Name = Toggle_open_close_torpedo_tube Ctxt = 1 3. - Now, these should look like: ; [Cmd309] , Name = Close_torpedo_tube ; Ctxt = 1 ; [Cmd312] , Name = Toggle_open_close_torpedo_tube ; Ctxt = 1 So you can have open several tubes without having to fire a salvo ... I do not know if this is realistic, commanders always fired a torpedo or a salvo. The idea seems to be of makman94. Good Hunting.