U.S. Military ‘Power Grab’ Goes Into Effect

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

I can see one way this can go...

Some far-right nut comes to the (logical) conclusion that this is a prelude to the US becoming a dictatorship, so he gets his gun and shoots up a police station or something.

The event is widely publicised, spurring other right-wing nuts to shoot up something government-owned, which then sparks a rebellion. Then, either the US citizens win their pointless war, OR... the government wins, and, afraid of further rebellions, sets up even stricter laws, and America really does become a dictatorship.

It isn't always the far-right nuts.

You might consider me a Far-Right Nut. That's just political views. I have no intention of shooting up a Police Station. Those people are crazy and not always Conservative. The reason I believe that there are a lot of shootings lately is because the media overpublicizes them. Yes. They happen...but...the Media blows them way up and makes it a huge deal. The Media is not what it used to be. People know that if they go and shoot up a mall, the media is going to get every little detail and help that crazy person get his message out by complaining about guns and victims for months.

Like I said, I don't know what to think of this yet. Obama only supports Gun Control because it keeps the people off his case about the Economy. While we're mad at him for guns, he continues to screw us over.

[August]

This isn't a right/left issue. There will be plenty of Democrats opposing this as Republicans.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

It isn't always the far-right nuts.

Like I said, "one way this can go"...

Originally Posted by Red October1984

You might consider me a Far-Right Nut.

You don't seem to be in a hurry to join the American Nazi Party or the Kooky Klutz Klan, so I don't actually.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

You don't seem to be in a hurry to join the American Nazi Party or the Kooky Klutz Klan, so I don't actually.

Okay that's Extreme Far Right.

I'm not going anywhere near those groups in my lifetime.

[mookiemookie]

This is bad.



The Posse Comitatus act is irrelevant anymore when the Police are just as well armed and equipped as military soldiers. There's effectively no difference between them.

The Posse Comitatus act is irrelevant anymore when the Police are just as well armed and equipped as military soldiers.

Its the price which goes with an armed population.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a better gun and body armour.

[Red October1984]

Guess this is just another reason to stockpile weapons in my house for when they come and enforce Martial Law, Gun Control, etc.

Or FEMA Death Camps....

[Betonov]

We're not talking about a third world dictatorship. I doubt giving the US army any more juristiction will cause a colapse of freedom.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The Posse Comitatus act is irrelevant anymore when the Police are just as well armed and equipped as military soldiers. There's effectively no difference between them.

The Posse Comitatus Act is still relevant but not in the context you are using. Posse Comitatus does not in any way affect how the police can be armed. Only that the US military can not be used to enforce civil laws unless there is a waiver. PC is waived all the time, but each waiver is subjected to judicial review.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Platapus

The Posse Comitatus Act is still relevant but not in the context you are using. Posse Comitatus does not in any way affect how the police can be armed.

No, I get that part, and I wasn't saying that it did.

Only that the US military can not be used to enforce civil laws unless there is a waiver. PC is waived all the time, but each waiver is subjected to judicial review.

What I was getting at is that the idea behind the PCA is that a military force should not be used to enforce civil laws, but since the line between police and military is now so blurred, why even have it in the first place?

[Stealhead]

@Mookiemookie not to derail this thread or anything but upon reading your sig if a fart is a ghost of food that you ate then what is a burp? a poltergeist because it vocalizes.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

No, I get that part, and I wasn't saying that it did.

What I was getting at is that the idea behind the PCA is that a military force should not be used to enforce civil laws, but since the line between police and military is now so blurred, why even have it in the first place?

There have been many situations, and many possible situations, where the average shotgun carried in most police cruisers isn't going to be enough to win a shootout. Instead of having our military perform hostage, shootout, and hold out takedowns, we have SWAT. They aren't called out very often, and the aren't patrolling the streets, they only respond to crisis situations, such as the shootout with Dorner.

There's plenty reason to have SWAT, and i dont understand why this is an issue. SWAT is not a military-grade law enforcement force. You think that the presence of submachine guns and rifles elevates them to military status? Civilians own AR-15s, the semi-automatic father of the m16, so civilains should own such a thing but law enforcement cannot? Because they have armor and armored trucks? SWAT is nowhere near military grade. Everything they have is necessary and useful.