Happy Times mod

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by J0313

...Voldoya sounds like he doesnt know a whole hell of alot about history apparently...

In this matter I'm interested not historical accuracy, but rather a game's return to arcade level after removing guns from merchants

PS: History of the WWII took place on my land and with my ancestors.. so I know enough apparently..

But are we talking about the game? ain't it?

[THE_MASK]

This sounds more realistic . But only if playing on 100% realism with all the other hardcore mods as well .

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Cybermat47's WIP mod brings back and old question:

when the first Allied merchants started being equipped with guns?

I remember having read a BdU standing order suggesting caution with deckgun's usage even against unescorted merchants. According to it, the deckgun should have been used only as an emergency solution, or for administering the classical "coup de grâce" against obstinate merchant targets. If memory serves me well, the reason was avoiding being identified by the enemy, and avoiding unnecessary risks.

This would have involved that by the time the aforementioned order was issued (I don't remember exactly the date, but it had to be around early-mid '40), the first armed merchants had started to appear.

Anyway, whatever is the answer to the above question, the following links might contain some good clues:

http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUKTB.htm
http://www.uboatarchive.net/KTBList.htm

[J0313]

Originally Posted by volodya61

In this matter I'm interested not historical accuracy, but rather a game's return to arcade level after removing guns from merchants

PS: History of the WWII took place on my land and with my ancestors.. so I know enough apparently..

But are we talking about the game? ain't it?

Well let me clue you in on a little something there bud. First, one smart a#@ comment deserves another. Which is exactly what you got. Second, My ancestors fought on both sides and my Grandfather, who raised me by the way, served abaord the USS Grenadier from the time of her commisioning to her bitter end in April of 1943. So dont spout off with my land,my ancestor stuff.

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Calm down guys, please.

We don't want to see this thread closed by a moderator, and our Cybermat47 jailed (once more!) for having started it. Don't we?

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by J0313

Well let me clue you in on a little something there bud. First, one smart a#@ comment deserves another. Which is exactly what you got. Second, My ancestors fought on both sides and my Grandfather, who raised me by the way, served abaord the USS Grenadier from the time of her commisioning to her bitter end in April of 1943. So dont spout off with my land,my ancestor stuff.

Instead of discussing the game you finally decided to tell me your biography?
That's funny..

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by volodya61

Instead of discussing the game you finally decided to tell me your biography?
That's funny..

Well, instead of saying that my mod sucked (before it's even released), you could have just decided not to download it.

Oh, and it was actually pretty cool to hear about that guy's grandfather.

EDIT: In the battle of convoy SC7, a merchant ship sighted a u-boat and tried to ram it, because it had no forward facing guns. The purpose of this mod is to recreate the same helplessness that many merchant ships faced at the time. The destroyers are still heavily armed, and for succesful attacks you will have to sneak into the convoy at the dead of night. From 1941 onwards, as the destroyer famine finally lessens, merchants will get heavier armaments. By early 1942, almost all merchants will be bristling with weapons.

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Well, instead of saying that my mod sucked (before it's even released), you could have just decided not to download it.

Sorry Cybermat, I wasn't going to hurt anyone.. and not said that your mod sucked.. just said, as I believe it will affect the game.. in my opinion..

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

EDIT: In the battle of convoy SC7, a merchant ship sighted a u-boat and tried to ram it, because it had no forward facing guns.

Again a fact of the real history.. this game has little relation to reality yet..

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Voldoya, don't worry. This mod won't be out for a while, as I'm testing it.

I'm not worry .. if someone don't want to use something, he just doesn't use it.. right?

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

If the happy times get too happy, I'll give the merchants weapons at earlier dates. The eqp files for merchants in the stock game are incorrect, in my opinion. The eqp files in OHII, however, are much more realistic, and I used those as the basis of this mod.

Finally I got an answer which wanted to hear from the very beginning, after my first post

[J0313]

Originally Posted by volodya61

Instead of discussing the game you finally decided to tell me your biography?
That's funny..

Aw, did I hurt somebodies feelings

Geee, I sawwwry

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by J0313

Aw, did I hurt somebodies feelings

Geee, I sawwwry

Don't worry mate, the problem is now resolved

[J0313]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Don't worry mate, the problem is now resolved

It just pisses me off when someone makes a crack like that about someone elses work. Especially when they are right. Almost non of the merchants were armed at the beginning of the war, if any. He was being , and I am being politicaly correct here in my choice of words, critical of your idea.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by J0313

It just pisses me off when someone makes a crack like that about someone elses work. Especially when they are right. Almost non of the merchants were armed at the beginning of the war, if any. He was being , and I am being politicaly correct here in my choice of words, critical of your idea.

I can understand that, and thank you for your support good sir

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by J0313

...Almost non of the merchants were armed at the beginning of the war, if any...

Once again.. there are two realities - historic reality and game's reality.. in the game's reality - unarmed merchant = back to vanilla arcade

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by volodya61

PS: History of the WWII took place on my land and with my ancestors.. so I know enough apparently...

WWII took place on my land and with my ancestors as well, so I also know enough.

Voldoya, don't worry. This mod won't be out for a while, as I'm testing it. If the happy times get too happy, I'll give the merchants weapons at earlier dates. The eqp files for merchants in the stock game are incorrect, in my opinion. The eqp files in OHII, however, are much more realistic, and I used those as the basis of this mod.