The victim is guilty

[Safe-Keeper]

I know how you feel but there is only one side of the story in that article.

Every time rape and SA in general is the topic at least one answer always begin with "but", usually continuing with an attempt to derail the discussion into how rape is the victim's fault/responsibility. I see this thread has both already.

As another poster pointed out, though, I don't know what looking at this from "both sides" would achieve. Sure there's always a deeper layer of circumstances and human psyche and anecdotes, but a girl was raped, and then had her photo spread, and then committed suicide.

This is tragic and disgusting. Whatever the "other side" might be, it's guaranteed not to be sufficient to mitigate anything. It's like asking for the "other side" of a story about a suicide bomber blowing up a school bus full of elementary school children.

Women who go out and get drunk then get raped must undertand that they are responsible for their actions and it is they who have put themselves in that situation....Sorry to bring up the opinions the OP has previously stated on this forum regarding this subject but it strikes me as highly hypocritical.

Does this apply to everyone who is drunk, or just women who are raped? If I see you in a bar drunk, am I allowed to beat you up, pickpocket you or wreck your car?

If I recall correctly it also covers women who walk into a bar wearing a "sexy" dress

Fail, both on a moral and factual basis. Go sit in the naughty corner until you're sorry.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Every time rape and SA in general is the topic at least one answer always begin with "but".

As another poster pointed out, though, I don't know what looking at this from "both sides" would achieve. Sure there's always a deeper layer of circumstances and human psyche and anecdotes, but a girl was raped, and then had her photo spread, and then committed suicide.

This is tragic and disgusting. Whatever the "other side" might be, it's guaranteed not to be sufficient to mitigate anything. It's like asking for the "other side" of a story about a suicide bomber blowing up a school bus full of elementary school children.

You accept that she was raped with no evidence as if that is a given. Is it? Then prove it the authorities couldn't.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

You accept that she was raped with no evidence as if that is a given. Is it? Then prove it the authorities couldn't.

, a photograph of Rehtaeh being raped was taken during the night and circulated around Cole Harbour District High School three days later.

Anything else?

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Anything else?

Have you seen it and does it prove rape? Apparently not. Anything else?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Have you seen it and does it prove rape? Apparently not. Anything else?

I do not need to see it. That is up to our judicial system. The article states pictures of the act were posted. The act and aftermath were enough for a person to take their life. In your minds eye there is more to the story?

[Buddahaid]

Of course as the article is only one persons tragic story. It is even likely true however it's still just part of the whole picture. And no you don't need to see it, but you do to say it proves rape. The authorities deemed it was not conclusive enough to press charges. Don't think I'm unsympathetic, I'm being pragmatic for the sake of argument.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Of course as the article is only one persons tragic story. It is even likely true however it's still just part of the whole picture. And no you don't need to see it, but you do to say it proves rape. The authorities deemed it was not conclusive enough to press charges. Don't think I'm unsympathetic, I'm being pragmatic for the sake of argument.

I understand Buddahaid.

[Safe-Keeper]

You accept that she was raped with no evidence as if that is a given. Is it? Then prove it the authorities couldn't.

I'm not a police investigator. It's not for me to say. Either way, authorities have a much higher treshold for declaring rapes have happened, simply because they

a. don't want to jail innocent people, or
b. don't do their jobs right.

Seems in this case, it could be a bit of both:

Leah Parsons is now criticizing police for how they handled the investigation, accusing them of not interviewing the four boys who were involved in the rape of her daughter until “much, much later.”

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

You accept that she was raped with no evidence as if that is a given. Is it? Then prove it the authorities couldn't.

That is one of the horrible aspects of rape -- often there is no evidence.

A man and a women meet. They engage in sexual activity. Was it lust or rape?

The physical evidence may be identical (especially when many rapes do not involve violence but the threat of violence).

What is the difference between lust and rape? Consent. Lust involves consent and rape does not (at least not on the part of both partners).

How do you prove no consent other than asking both parties? What if they disagree?

Unfortunately, a lot of rape cases are a "he said, she said" case and those are hard to judge fairly... unless there is bias.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Platapus

That is one of the horrible aspects of rape -- often there is no evidence.

A man and a women meet. They engage in sexual activity. Was it lust or rape?

The physical evidence may be identical (especially when many rapes do not involve violence but the threat of violence).

What is the difference between lust and rape? Consent. Lust involves consent and rape does not (at least not on the part of both partners).

How do you prove no consent other than asking both parties? What if they disagree?

Unfortunately, a lot of rape cases are a "he said, she said" case and those are hard to judge fairly... unless there is bias.

In this instance the article states the photo's show the act being perpetrated. But I agree, many cases are a slipper slope "he said, she said." More often these days we are finding the activity on video or pictured. Then posted for the world to see.

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Does this apply to everyone who is drunk, or just women who are raped? If I see you in a bar drunk, am I allowed to beat you up, pickpocket you or wreck your car?

Ask someone who has expressed those views which I mentioned.

Fail, both on a moral and factual basis. Go sit in the naughty corner until you're sorry

Read what was written.
If you want to put someone in the naughty corner for those obnoxious views then do it to the person who held them.