Opinion! A Phony Hero for a Phony War - Page 4

Betonov · 11-20-12, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Sure they are, but that doesn't mean they have to wear every single one they ever received, some, like the national defense ribbon for just being in the military.

Only 3 rows of top achievements, got it

Oberon · 11-20-12, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by August

I'm sure they were although wearing the actual medal instead of the ribbon is only for special occasions. This is how he would have normally have dressed.

Now note that many of Zukov's medals are duplicates. In our army subsequent awards are identified by a oak leaf cluster pin or similar indication on the medal or ribbon itself. If we wore our awards like the Soviets did then Petraeus would have so many ribbons you wouldn't be able to tell what color his uniform was.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with a General having a lot of medals, just with displaying all of them all the time. It makes them look cheap and showy (imo).

I hear you, and I agree. There's such a thing as going a tad too far with medals and ribbons, but really I think it's at the disgression and taste of the wearer. Having absolutely zero medals and ribbons to my name (well...aside from the badge to the left of this post

) I can't really say how I'd wear them, but I tend to think of this pic:

Cybermat47 · 11-20-12, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Reichmarschall, Field Marshal, Doorman at the Ritz Carlton, whatever, he still wasn't as much of a peacock as Petraeus.

Ooh, you are mistaken!

Goering wore all these in public:

Middle-ages peasant hunting outfit

Violet kimino

And many others...

And anyway, he pretty much destroyed his country due to his ineptness, so he pretty much was the worst leader ever, apart from Hitler. Though, at least Hitler had some successes!

Gerald · 11-21-12, 09:15 AM

^strange

August · 11-21-12, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Ooh, you are mistaken!

Ok so he was just as big of a Peacock as Petraeus.

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And anyway, he pretty much destroyed his country due to his ineptness, so he pretty much was the worst leader ever, apart from Hitler. Though, at least Hitler had some successes!

What successes? He lost the war and ruined Germany.

Jimbuna · 11-21-12, 09:48 AM

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What successes? He lost the war and ruined Germany.

Had me reading past posts did that

Catfish · 11-21-12, 09:54 AM

Regarding Goering and his medals -

1 (One) Goering was the german unit for what a man could carry tin-wise, before collapsing.

Oberon · 11-21-12, 12:38 PM

To be fair to Der Dicke, he was a WWI ace, not exactly Boelcke or Richtofen territory, and most of his pilots hated him because he was an arrogant stuck up idiot, but as anyone who has played a WWI flight sim knows, 22 kills is still an achievement.

Otherwise though he was a pompous stuck up arrogant idiot who deep sixed any chance the Luftwaffe could have had of victory and sabotaged the Wehrmacht and Kriegsmarines attempts to have the Luftwaffe co-operate with them. Well, except for the 17-20th May 1940 where the Stukas and Hs 123s of VIII. Fliegerkorps worked extremely well alongside Guderians Panzers to blast a path to the coast. This was how the CAS of the Luftwaffe should have worked, good radio links between the ground troops and the air troops, but as Oberleutnant Seidemann put it "never again was such a smoothly functioning system for discussing and planning joint operations achieved".

Cybermat47 · 11-21-12, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by August

What successes? He lost the war and ruined Germany.

Yes, but he did conquer Poland, the low countries, France, the Channel Islands, Ukraine, Greece, and many other countries.

He just got an even bigger head, gave stupid orders like 'No retreat', which lost the war.

What I was saying was that when Goering had things almost completely under his command, he lost.

Gerald · 11-21-12, 04:06 PM

All great men have their weaknesses.

Jimbuna · 11-21-12, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Yes, but he did conquer Poland, the low countries, France, the Channel Islands, Ukraine, Greece, and many other countries.

He just got an even bigger head, gave stupid orders like 'No retreat', which lost the war.

What I was saying was that when Goering had things almost completely under his command, he lost.

Everything was lost in the end and at a huge cost to mankind.

Cybermat47 · 11-21-12, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Everything was lost in the end and at a huge cost to mankind.

And, despite all the technological advances that WWII bought about, it was still a massive waste of life

Gerald · 11-21-12, 04:43 PM

Not only that, the tracks of World War II are still there, and so for generations

Jimbuna · 11-21-12, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

And, despite all the technological advances that WWII bought about, it was still a massive waste of life

Exactly

Stealhead · 11-21-12, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

To be fair to Der Dicke, he was a WWI ace, not exactly Boelcke or Richtofen territory, and most of his pilots hated him because he was an arrogant stuck up idiot, but as anyone who has played a WWI flight sim knows, 22 kills is still an achievement.

Otherwise though he was a pompous stuck up arrogant idiot who deep sixed any chance the Luftwaffe could have had of victory and sabotaged the Wehrmacht and Kriegsmarines attempts to have the Luftwaffe co-operate with them. Well, except for the 17-20th May 1940 where the Stukas and Hs 123s of VIII. Fliegerkorps worked extremely well alongside Guderians Panzers to blast a path to the coast. This was how the CAS of the Luftwaffe should have worked, good radio links between the ground troops and the air troops, but as Oberleutnant Seidemann put it "never again was such a smoothly functioning system for discussing and planning joint operations achieved".

He once told Adolf Galland whose younger brother had just been KIA that day in an action with P-47s (Galland was reporting the presence of P-47s in German airspace for the first time) That Galland was a liar and that no American aircraft had penetrated German airspace.

Imagine hearing that after you know for a fact that your own brother had just been killed.

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	To be fair to Der Dicke, he was a WWI ace, not exactly Boelcke or Richtofen territory, and most of his pilots hated him because he was an arrogant stuck up idiot, but as anyone who has played a WWI flight sim knows, 22 kills is still an achievement. Otherwise though he was a pompous stuck up arrogant idiot who deep sixed any chance the Luftwaffe could have had of victory and sabotaged the Wehrmacht and Kriegsmarines attempts to have the Luftwaffe co-operate with them. Well, except for the 17-20th May 1940 where the Stukas and Hs 123s of VIII. Fliegerkorps worked extremely well alongside Guderians Panzers to blast a path to the coast. This was how the CAS of the Luftwaffe should have worked, good radio links between the ground troops and the air troops, but as Oberleutnant Seidemann put it "never again was such a smoothly functioning system for discussing and planning joint operations achieved".