Open carry in Oklahoma

Morts · 11-03-12, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

If your jumped unaware by a guy with a baseball bat who can take your head off with it before you can react - its not going to matter if you are carrying openly, concealed or not at all.

I think what was meant by that, is that it would be easier to single out who to rob if they were going for guns.

August · 11-03-12, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Morts

I think what was meant by that, is that it would be easier to single out who to rob if they were going for guns.

You have a point although I think pick pockets would be a greater threat.

CaptainHaplo · 11-03-12, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by August

You have a point although I think pick pockets would be a greater threat.

A baseball bat isn't really concealable. Approaching a visibly armed individual with a bat isn't a good way to stay alive if you have bad intentions. Carrying visibly is a warning - the person carrying is able - and willing - to defend himself against his/her person or their family, etc - with lethal force.

Not many criminals are looking for someone to kill them. They want an easy target. A helpless one if possible.

Regarding having your gun taken from you - again - situational awareness and proper tools. Carrying openly without a retention holster is just plain stupid. Just like carrying concealed and printing is.

August · 11-03-12, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

A baseball bat isn't really concealable. Approaching a visibly armed individual with a bat isn't a good way to stay alive if you have bad intentions. Carrying visibly is a warning - the person carrying is able - and willing - to defend himself against his/her person or their family, etc - with lethal force.

Not many criminals are looking for someone to kill them. They want an easy target. A helpless one if possible.

Regarding having your gun taken from you - again - situational awareness and proper tools. Carrying openly without a retention holster is just plain stupid. Just like carrying concealed and printing is.

Exactly that's why I think stealth would be more successful. If they can take a persons watch and wallet without them knowing it I don't see how that glock would be any more difficult.

MH · 11-03-12, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Exactly that's why I think stealth would be more successful. If they can take a persons watch and wallet without them knowing it I don't see how that glock would be any more difficult.

If your gun can be taken from you without you knowing it then you do somthing wrong....

August · 11-03-12, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MH

If your gun can be taken from you without you knowing it then you do somthing wrong....

Same thing for wallet and watch yet it happens.

CaptainHaplo · 11-03-12, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Exactly that's why I think stealth would be more successful. If they can take a persons watch and wallet without them knowing it I don't see how that glock would be any more difficult.

Which is why a retention holster should be considered standard.
A standard holster has no locking mechanism - a retention holster does. They come in multiple levels as well - and many manufacturers have different nuances. So its like the difference between sneaking a wallet out of someone's back pocket - and sneaking out the wallet - and the chain that is attached to a front belt loop.

LE use retention holsters for this exact reason. Sure - the rare case is that they get into a tussle with someone who goes for their gun. The fact is retention gives you the ability to not lose your firearm. Besides - if you let someone get that close - you damned near deserve to get your firearm taken away.

August · 11-03-12, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Which is why a retention holster should be considered standard.
A standard holster has no locking mechanism - a retention holster does. They come in multiple levels as well - and many manufacturers have different nuances. So its like the difference between sneaking a wallet out of someone's back pocket - and sneaking out the wallet - and the chain that is attached to a front belt loop.

LE use retention holsters for this exact reason. Sure - the rare case is that they get into a tussle with someone who goes for their gun. The fact is retention gives you the ability to not lose your firearm. Besides - if you let someone get that close - you damned near deserve to get your firearm taken away.

I've heard of chain wallets being lifted so I think you're underestimating the skill of a good pickpocket or team of pickpockets. After all we're talking about open carry for the general public which means open carry in situations like this:

You don't think a gun could be slipped off someones hip on this street? Remember once it is separated from the victim it can be concealed almost instantaneously. The victim might even feel it go but it's going to be tough to know who done it.

MH · 11-03-12, 06:01 PM

Open/concealed carry laws makes no sense at all to me.
Unless carrying gun for deterrence there is no reason to open carry but also as said here this may also attract unwanted attention in other situations.
Yet in case the state trust you to carry a gun what is the point in making all those ridiculous laws.

Red October1984 · 11-03-12, 07:55 PM

I'll get on my Redneck soapbox.

'Merica. Lightin' fires and burnin' tires since 1775.

*escorted off by Al Gore and police*

Around where I live, everyone owns a gun and everyone carries at the very least a knife. Crime isnt as high as the cities but it makes people feel safer. What i can't stand are those people who buy up guns and ammo because of the "Zombie Apocalypse."

Guns are a wonderful part of life, and in the hands of somebody who knows to keep the end with the hole pointed in a safe direction, they can be pretty darn safe. We use them for many things and self defense just happens to be one of them.

Platapus · 11-04-12, 07:25 AM

A baseball bat was only used an as an example.

I should have used a pointed stick instead

Red October1984 · 11-04-12, 10:22 AM

Ok. So a few of you are calling this stupid.

Carrying guns is an American thing. How many of you are from other countries? Of course you would have different viewpoints on this issue.

MH · 11-04-12, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

Ok. So a few of you are calling this stupid.

I call stupid walking in to the bar with loaded gun on safety
In may experience(depending on gun)safety has this freakish tendency to change position once in awhile for unknown reasons lol
You don't walk around with loaded gun unless you are aware of it all the time and/or have to.

mookiemookie · 11-04-12, 11:02 AM

There must be a lot of guys with tiny peckers in Oklahoma, because there's a lot of overcompensation going on there.

If you live your life in such fear that you have to wear a gun on your hip to feel safe in public, then that's just pitiful. I doubt someone's going to mug you while you eat your home fries at the Waffle House, or that a roving gang of thugs is going to descend upon the Tractor Supply Company and you'll have to defend yourself and have a shootout from behind a makeshift barricade of Purina dog food.

Platapus · 11-04-12, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I doubt someone's going to mug you while you eat your home fries at the Waffle House, or that a roving gang of thugs is going to descend upon the Tractor Supply Company and you'll have to defend yourself and have a shootout from behind a makeshift barricade of Purina dog food.

Everyone that has been a victim of a public shooting felt exactly the same way you do.

"It can never happen to me".

Carrying is a personal choice.

People who choose to legally carry are not pitiable for doing it.
People who choose not to carry are not pitiable for not doing it.

11-03-12, 07:55 PM	#10
Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	I'll get on my Redneck soapbox. 'Merica. Lightin' fires and burnin' tires since 1775. escorted off by Al Gore and police Around where I live, everyone owns a gun and everyone carries at the very least a knife. Crime isnt as high as the cities but it makes people feel safer. What i can't stand are those people who buy up guns and ammo because of the "Zombie Apocalypse." Guns are a wonderful part of life, and in the hands of somebody who knows to keep the end with the hole pointed in a safe direction, they can be pretty darn safe. We use them for many things and self defense just happens to be one of them. __________________

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,428 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	A baseball bat was only used an as an example. I should have used a pointed stick instead __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

11-04-12, 10:22 AM	#12
Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	Ok. So a few of you are calling this stupid. Carrying guns is an American thing. How many of you are from other countries? Of course you would have different viewpoints on this issue. __________________

11-04-12, 11:02 AM	#14
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	There must be a lot of guys with tiny peckers in Oklahoma, because there's a lot of overcompensation going on there. If you live your life in such fear that you have to wear a gun on your hip to feel safe in public, then that's just pitiful. I doubt someone's going to mug you while you eat your home fries at the Waffle House, or that a roving gang of thugs is going to descend upon the Tractor Supply Company and you'll have to defend yourself and have a shootout from behind a makeshift barricade of Purina dog food. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

11-03-12, 06:01 PM	#9
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	Open/concealed carry laws makes no sense at all to me. Unless carrying gun for deterrence there is no reason to open carry but also as said here this may also attract unwanted attention in other situations. Yet in case the state trust you to carry a gun what is the point in making all those ridiculous laws.