Open carry in Oklahoma

[Red October1984]

Ok. So a few of you are calling this stupid.

Carrying guns is an American thing. How many of you are from other countries? Of course you would have different viewpoints on this issue.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

Ok. So a few of you are calling this stupid.

I call stupid walking in to the bar with loaded gun on safety
In may experience(depending on gun)safety has this freakish tendency to change position once in awhile for unknown reasons lol
You don't walk around with loaded gun unless you are aware of it all the time and/or have to.

[mookiemookie]

There must be a lot of guys with tiny peckers in Oklahoma, because there's a lot of overcompensation going on there.

If you live your life in such fear that you have to wear a gun on your hip to feel safe in public, then that's just pitiful. I doubt someone's going to mug you while you eat your home fries at the Waffle House, or that a roving gang of thugs is going to descend upon the Tractor Supply Company and you'll have to defend yourself and have a shootout from behind a makeshift barricade of Purina dog food.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I doubt someone's going to mug you while you eat your home fries at the Waffle House, or that a roving gang of thugs is going to descend upon the Tractor Supply Company and you'll have to defend yourself and have a shootout from behind a makeshift barricade of Purina dog food.

Everyone that has been a victim of a public shooting felt exactly the same way you do.

"It can never happen to me".

Carrying is a personal choice.

People who choose to legally carry are not pitiable for doing it.
People who choose not to carry are not pitiable for not doing it.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

If you live your life in such fear that you have to wear a gun on your hip to feel safe in public, then that's just pitiful.

Why don't you take a walk through my neighborhood some night before you call me pitiful.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Why don't you take a walk through my neighborhood some night before you call me pitiful.

I don't know very much about bad neighbourhoods in USA but i would dare to say that if someone wants to jump you at night in such place, the gun will not be very useful.
It may actually give you sense of false security or save you from some drunk idiot, if you lucky ... nothing more.
Most definitely so if the bad guys are aware of you caring a gun.

Best solution is to leave the place if it is so bad to less bad place.

[mookiemookie]

Open carry, in a tactical sense, gives the bad guy information that he can use against you. It's not a deterrent to getting mugged, it's a deterrent to getting mugged from the front.

Steve, as someone who was once friends with plenty of drug addicts, I've been in plenty of bad neighborhoods. Many of them so bad that having a gun on my hip openly wouldn't have made a bit of difference. I still submit that for most of these guys, it's an ego thing. And that's pitiable.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

One really conserning thing about this is that is all it will take is some drunk guy who gets into a fight with another drunk and both pull their guns and start shooting and then the you-know-what would hit the fan, its both probable and possible. Either bar owners should ban the use of firearms from the establishment or it should be against the law to carry firearms in to places that serve alcohol, this is just my opinion.

What I'd like to know is why is the requirements for getting a licence to open carry a firearm only basic knowledge? Why aren't things like situational awareness part of the requirements to get an open carry licence too? I'd personally feel much safer knowing the person next to me has been trained by a cop or someone whos ex-military/ex-police (or better yet an ex-MP). If you don't know whats going on and/or whos who then there could be a lot of trouble.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Kptlt. Hellmut Neuerburg

Either bar owners should ban the use of firearms from the establishment

In every state where there is either open or concealed carry, the owner of a private business/residence has the right to ban the carrying of weapons.

or it should be against the law to carry firearms in to places that serve alcohol, this is just my opinion.

Is it the carrying in a bar or the carrier drinking that is your concern?

It is my opinion that if someone is carrying, there should be a zero tolerance for the consumption of alcohol.

However, a person legally carrying should be able to enter a restaurant that happens to have an ABC license and order food.

I guess I am making the distinction between just being in a bar and actually consuming alcohol.

[geetrue]

Arizona is one of several open and carry gun laws.

Here's some facts for you:
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-librar...-gun-laws.html

Arizona has some of the loosest weapon restriction laws in the nation. Many things that are allowed in this state would get you arrested anywhere else. Because the penalties for weapons possession can be extremely severe, and differ drastically from state to state, keep in mind that the following rules apply only to the state of Arizona.
Open Carry Rule


Arizona is an "open carry" state, which means that anyone can legally carry any (legal) weapon in the open, without any permits, as long as the weapon is:

• Kept in a holster or scabbard
• At least partially visible on your person, or;
• Kept in a container or the glove compartment of a vehicle (still must be holstered, however)

This means that it is perfectly legal to carry a loaded handgun or revolver on a belt holster, out in the open, while you walk down the street, and no special permits are required. You CANNOT, however, unholster that weapon without a very good reason, nor can you walk around holding a gun in your hand or tucked into your pants. You must have a bona fide holster or case to keep it in, and both the gun AND holster must be openly visible.

However, the cases do not have to be locked, unlike most states, nor even capable of locking.

Laws for concealed weapons are really neat ... you don't even have to be a resident to get a conceled weapons permit which is good in up to 25 other states:

Concealed Carry Permits

Known as "CCW's," concealed carry permits allow anyone to carry a weapon on their person out of sight. They are available to anyone who meets the state of Arizona's (rather lax) criteria:

• Be at least 21 years of age
• Have no felony convictions
• Be in the country legally
• Pass an Department of Public Safety approved firearm safety course (can be done in most community colleges)

It is important to note that Arizona does not distinguish between resident and non-resident, or indeed even between U.S. citizen and permanent resident. The only requirement is that you are NOT an illegal alien; any other person is eligible for a concealed carry permit. Also, the safety course, (8 hours long with a 2 hour renewal course every 5 years) MUST be taken within Arizona, regardless of whether you are a resident or not.

Pocket knives may be carried out of sight without a permit but the Attorney General's opinion is that this only includes pocket knives with blades that do not exceed four inches in length. Arizona statutes do not address the issue of switchblades but it is likely that the concealed carrying of any switchblade with a blade longer than four inches would also require a concealed weapon permit.

Will My Permit Be Recognized Anywhere Else?

Over 25 other states recognize Arizona's CCW permit, meaning you can carry a weapon concealed within those states as well, as long as you are there only temporarily.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by MH

I don't know very much about bad neighbourhoods in USA but i would dare to say that if someone wants to jump you at night in such place, the gun will not be very useful.
It may actually give you sense of false security or save you from some drunk idiot, if you lucky ... nothing more.
Most definitely so if the bad guys are aware of you caring a gun.

Best solution is to leave the place if it is so bad to less bad place.

The bigger question is, if you get jumped by bad guys, would you rather or not have a firearm to protect yourself?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Kptlt. Hellmut Neuerburg

One really conserning thing about this is that is all it will take is some drunk guy who gets into a fight with another drunk and both pull their guns and start shooting and then the you-know-what would hit the fan, its both probable and possible.

Really? I don't see too much open carry where I live, even though it's legal, but we have a lot of concealed carry. You say it's probable, yet, to my knowledge, it's never happened. Not once. Can you point to any of that happening? If not, then while it's certainly possible, it's not probable at all.

What I'd like to know is why is the requirements for getting a licence to open carry a firearm only basic knowledge?

Have you applied for a license? If not, how do you know what the requirements are? In fact you do have to pass a course given by a certified instructor.

Why aren't things like situational awareness part of the requirements to get an open carry licence too? I'd personally feel much safer knowing the person next to me has been trained by a cop or someone whos ex-military/ex-police (or better yet an ex-MP). If you don't know whats going on and/or whos who then there could be a lot of trouble.

Trained by a cop? Do you have any idea how many cops (and ex-military) have no idea what they're doing? I'm not speaking of all of either of those categories, but you would be amazed how many there are. Just because you had some training at one point doesn't mean you are any more quailified than someone who spends the time and money to qualify himself.

Originally Posted by Armistead

The bigger question is, if you get jumped by bad guys, would you rather or not have a firearm to protect yourself?

Exactly.

[MH]

Have you applied for a license? If not, how do you know what the requirements are? In fact you do have to pass a course given by a certified instructor

It does not apply to all states right?
Also the training is very basic...like an hour or two at the range.?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Originally Posted by Armistead
The bigger question is, if you get jumped by bad guys, would you rather or not have a firearm to protect yourself?

Exactly.

No, that's not exactly. Your conflating the issue of carrying a gun and openly carrying a gun. Anyone who wants to get a CHL and carry a firearm on their person is fine by me. I don;t see anything wrong with that in the slightest. But I still stand by my assertion that open carry is more about egoism than protection.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Really? I don't see too much open carry where I live, even though it's legal, but we have a lot of concealed carry. You say it's probable, yet, to my knowledge, it's never happened. Not once. Can you point to any of that happening? If not, then while it's certainly possible, it's not probable at all.

Well heres three articals from the local news in the state I'm currently living in since we seem to go by where one is living. http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/lo...g-outside-bar/ http://www2.tbo.com/news/news/2012/j.../tbo.ly/Ny6A7i
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...t-bar-shooting

Have you applied for a license? If not, how do you know what the requirements are? In fact you do have to pass a course given by a certified instructor.

No I havn't applied for a license since Florida is not an open carry state.

Also from NewsOK.com

Q. How does a person gain a permit to carry a firearm in Oklahoma?
Any established resident who is a U.S. citizen, at least 21 years old and who has completed a firearms safety and training course can apply for a permit through the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation.
The bureau will review the application, conduct criminal and mental health background checks, and will approve or deny the permit within 60 days if no prohibitive records are revealed.

Read more: http://newsok.com/everything-you-nee...#ixzz2BIfpf4f9

Now going off of this and similar articals one can make the assuption that it is basic firearms safety and training.

Trained by a cop? Do you have any idea how many cops (and ex-military) have no idea what they're doing? I'm not speaking of all of either of those categories, but you would be amazed how many there are. Just because you had some training at one point doesn't mean you are any more quailified than someone who spends the time and money to qualify himself.

Yeah I do realize how many cops and ex-military persons have no idea what they're doing. Examples of that where the shootings in NYC (theres a thead about it here somewhere), the shooting of a disabled man in a wheelchair cause the cops though he had a knife when it was in fact a pen (souce http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/tex...ing/index.html), and from the state where I used to live, a cop shot a Native American wood carver because he was walking down a Seattle street with a knife that he was using to make a some carving. (source http://www.komonews.com/news/local/112097619.html) Quick Edit:

LAKEWOOD, Wash. - Four uniformed police officers were shot and killed in a bloody Sunday morning attack at a Lakewood-area coffee shop, and investigators are seeking a person of interest in the killings, officials said.

Pierce County Sheriff's Office spokesman Ed Troyer said the person they are seeking is Maurice Clemmons, who is a fugitive from Arkansas with a lengthy criminal record. Investigators now believe the gunman also may have been shot during the cold-blooded assault, as one of the officers returned fire just before he died of his injuries.

If four armed cops can be killed by one person with a gun whos to say it would of turned out differently if it was four armed civilans? (source: http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78088192.html)
@Platapus
In responce to the first quote of my previous post, thats good. In responce to the second part of my previous post, I would agree that if someone is carrying that it should be zero tolerance for the consuption of alcohol, as for carrying into a restaurant and ordering food I don't have a problem with that.