Batman movie shooting

Platapus · 07-21-12, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Task Force

I heard he used a AR 15 assault rifle,now How the hell do you get a AR 15 into a theater and not get seen, Must have no security.

Just a nit to pick, but it was an AR-15 There is no such thing as an AR-15 Assault Rifle. The AR-15 only looks like an assault rifle.

Unless he illegally modified it, the AR-15 is Semi-Automatic fire only.

A tiny nit that makes no difference to the people killed or their families.

NeonSamurai · 07-21-12, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Just a nit to pick, but it was an AR-15 There is no such thing as an AR-15 Assault Rifle. The AR-15 only looks like an assault rifle.

Unless he illegally modified it, the AR-15 is Semi-Automatic fire only.

A tiny nit that makes no difference to the people killed or their families.

It is an assault weapon though, and frankly a semi automatic AR-15 is just as dangerous as a selective fire M16.

MH · 07-21-12, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

A tiny nit that makes no difference to the people killed or their families.

It actually puts it in the right perspective...calling it just AR is walk around.
They did not say it was MG.

eddie · 07-21-12, 01:59 PM

It did have a 100 round drum magazine, hard to believe you can get a hold of something like that, but with the internet, anything is possible now days!

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-magazine?lite

Buddahaid · 07-21-12, 02:28 PM

The SF Chronicle was just full of calls for "sensible" gun control laws which is fine by me, but we already have those and they only work for the "sensible" people. We have all kinds of laws on the books and they don't stop anyone from breaking them whenever they choose to. I could buy one of those AR15's privately inside a day or two if I wanted one and outside of the current sensible gun control laws so how will more laws change that?

Sailor Steve · 07-22-12, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Just a nit to pick, but it was an AR-15 There is no such thing as an AR-15 Assault Rifle. The AR-15 only looks like an assault rifle.

Terminology changes with attitudes and time. Ninety-five years ago my bolt-action 03 Springfield was not only an assault rifle, it was the assault rifle of choice for the U.S. Army.

eddie · 07-22-12, 03:42 PM

Has anybody heard how he was actually caught? Was he running towards his car to get away? I haven't heard or read anything on that. I knew he gave up without a struggle, but nothing more then that so far.

RickC Sniper · 07-22-12, 03:51 PM

I believe he was just standing outside that exit by his car and surrendered when approached by officers. There was no struggle or incident.

Stealhead · 07-22-12, 06:24 PM

According to a few sources he was outside and some law enforcement saw him and at first thought he was another SWAT but something about his kit was off and they stopped him.

Also he tried to join a gun range but the owner who Holmes had contacted by e-mail disliked how his voice mail sounded he advised his staff that if Holmes ever showed up at the range that he was to speak with Holmes immediately he felt something was off with Holmes based on the nature of his voice mail.

The 100 round magazine jammed on Holmes and he did not know how to un jam the weapon which very likely saved some lives good thing he did not buy 30 round magazines as they are highly reliable.

It sounds to as though Holmes planned to actually escape by blending in with the cops.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...N2W_story.html

Read the first two pages it will stop you at the 4th page unless you create an account which is free but you can read it once without having to do so.

Jimbuna · 07-22-12, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by eddie

Has anybody heard how he was actually caught? Was he running towards his car to get away? I haven't heard or read anything on that. I knew he gave up without a struggle, but nothing more then that so far.

According to BBC and Sky News he was squatting next to his vehicle and offered no resistance to the arresting officers.

Ducimus · 07-23-12, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sidslotm

I wonder, is it not time for a minimal gun law in the USA, I mean, an assualt rifle. How can a weapon like this ever be sold across the counter and justified in public hands. It has only one purpose, military.

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Originally Posted by Morts

I honestly dont see a problem with it anymore, i used to be semi anti-gun, and i believe i've even argued against weapons like these on here.
If a criminal wants an AR-15, he is going to get one, simple as that.
All of our gun control laws here in Denmark havent prevented the criminals from shooting eachother up with just about every type of weapon out there, at some point or another.

While I agree that (generally speaking) assault rifles are military in application, Gun control really isn't an answer. If someone has malice intent, they will get a gun one way or another. All gun control really does, is make it harder for law abiding people to protect themselves. Anyone with malice thought isn't exactly law abiding, they'll get their firearm in the end.

One thought is, if there were more people with concealed carry permits, random shooters like this guy (and the many others like him over the years) wouldn't get very far.

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Originally Posted by Skybird

I doubt any sharpening of gun laws in the US will happen. For Americans, it seems to be not so much a legal issue, but one of culture and attitude basing on the way the history of their country was born and formed, .

Skybirds accurate here i think. The best gun control advocates could hope for is another assault rifle ban, but that's not exactly going to stop bad people. They'll use another gun, or they'll get their assault rifle by means other then walking into a gun store. If guns were to really be snuffed out here in America, gun control would have had to been exercised when we were still a British colony. For us, intergration of firearms into our culture started then, and continues to this day with the added iconic imagery from minutemen, to mountain men, to cowboys and the wild west, the list goes on. We are unique among nations in this regard i think.

Sailor Steve · 07-23-12, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

If guns were to really be snuffed out here in America, gun control would have had to been exercised when we were still a British colony.

It was exercised then, or at least attempted. That's what started the shooting war in the first place.

Ducimus · 07-23-12, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

It was exercised then, or at least attempted. That's what started the shooting war in the first place.

So what your saying is, gun control NEVER had a chance.

07-21-12, 01:59 PM	#4
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	It did have a 100 round drum magazine, hard to believe you can get a hold of something like that, but with the internet, anything is possible now days! http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-magazine?lite __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

07-21-12, 02:28 PM	#5
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,332 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	The SF Chronicle was just full of calls for "sensible" gun control laws which is fine by me, but we already have those and they only work for the "sensible" people. We have all kinds of laws on the books and they don't stop anyone from breaking them whenever they choose to. I could buy one of those AR15's privately inside a day or two if I wanted one and outside of the current sensible gun control laws so how will more laws change that? __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

07-22-12, 03:42 PM	#7
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Has anybody heard how he was actually caught? Was he running towards his car to get away? I haven't heard or read anything on that. I knew he gave up without a struggle, but nothing more then that so far. __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

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RickC Sniper Undetectable Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,221 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	I believe he was just standing outside that exit by his car and surrendered when approached by officers. There was no struggle or incident. __________________ Support Subsim http://www.subsim.com/store.html

07-22-12, 06:24 PM	#9
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	According to a few sources he was outside and some law enforcement saw him and at first thought he was another SWAT but something about his kit was off and they stopped him. Also he tried to join a gun range but the owner who Holmes had contacted by e-mail disliked how his voice mail sounded he advised his staff that if Holmes ever showed up at the range that he was to speak with Holmes immediately he felt something was off with Holmes based on the nature of his voice mail. The 100 round magazine jammed on Holmes and he did not know how to un jam the weapon which very likely saved some lives good thing he did not buy 30 round magazines as they are highly reliable. It sounds to as though Holmes planned to actually escape by blending in with the cops. http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...N2W_story.html Read the first two pages it will stop you at the 4th page unless you create an account which is free but you can read it once without having to do so.