Batman movie shooting - Page 2

MH · 07-20-12, 07:26 PM

What is the matter with those people.

07-20-12, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

They really should stop publicizing the identities of these whackjobs. They do it for attention and notoriety. Just refer to him as "a gunman" instead of his name.

Task Force · 07-20-12, 07:40 PM

I heard he used a AR 15 assault rifle,now How the hell do you get a AR 15 into a theater and not get seen, Must have no security.

Onkel Neal · 07-20-12, 07:41 PM

I think he went in the back, through an exit door.

mookiemookie · 07-20-12, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Task Force

I heard he used a AR 15 assault rifle,now How the hell do you get a AR 15 into a theater and not get seen, Must have no security.

He bought a ticket and went in with everyone else. Then he went out through the exit, propped the door, came back in with the guns.

Biggles · 07-20-12, 10:27 PM

Roughly a year after Breivik slaughtered his way through Utøya. One wonder if it was deliberately matched....?

A hideous act in any case, and a truly sad day. This week sure has been bad for good ol' Earth, let's hope a quick recovery for all wounded.

07-21-12, 02:42 AM

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Just refer to him as "a gunman" instead of his name.

Wouldn't it be better to refer to him by name but insist that every use of his name has the words "stupid pathetic loser" attatched(or words to that effect)

Skybird · 07-21-12, 03:58 AM

The names of perpetrators should not be withheld, so that the public knows whom to put the shame on.

What would be welcomed, though, is the media acting with more self-restraint in general. Less glitter. Less giving-them-a-stage. Less talkshows putting the victim-perpetrator-role 180° around, and distorting guilt by endlessly discussing it and trying to learn why a perpetrator became what he became. For too many media, such reasonable consideration serves only as an alibi to surf on such stories as long as possible.

Jimbuna · 07-21-12, 06:00 AM

Does this state still have the death penalty then?

Onkel Neal · 07-21-12, 08:20 AM

Good question. Hope so.

Tragedy within a tragedy, this young lady experienced a similar shooting before.

Her Twitter feed shows how excited she was to see the film.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/story...ist/56369600/1

Harald_Lange · 07-21-12, 08:29 AM

I was like, hmm that's bad, another shooting, but that Twitter stream really hits home. https://mobile.twitter.com/jessicaredfield
really harrowing and another senseless waste of life that will effect families for the rest of their lives.

Skybird · 07-21-12, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Good question. Hope so.

Tragedy within a tragedy, this young lady experienced a similar shooting before.

Her Twitter feed shows how excited she was to see the film.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/story...ist/56369600/1

That's the real nature of "chance" demonstrated: everything is possible. But it must feel grim for her parents and friends, no doubt.

Saw a pic of her in German news. Very friendly eyes, it appeared to me. Details like this give abstract events happening to strangers a personal face, suddenly.

Meanwhile it was reported for some time that the attacker indeed should have said something that he were "Joker". Police denied that soon after. But that he maybe saw himself as a real adversary to fictional Batman was the first thing that came to my mind, without any special reason.

07-21-12, 09:49 AM

I wonder, is it not time for a minimal gun law in the USA, I mean, an assualt rifle. How can a weapon like this ever be sold across the counter and justified in public hands. It has only one purpose, military.

Morts · 07-21-12, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sidslotm

I wonder, is it not time for a minimal gun law in the USA, I mean, an assualt rifle. How can a weapon like this ever be sold across the counter and justified in public hands. It has only one purpose, military.

I honestly dont see a problem with it anymore, i used to be semi anti-gun, and i believe i've even argued against weapons like these on here.
If a criminal wants an AR-15, he is going to get one, simple as that.
All of our gun control laws here in Denmark havent prevented the criminals from shooting eachother up with just about every type of weapon out there, at some point or another.

Skybird · 07-21-12, 10:18 AM

I doubt any sharpening of gun laws in the US will happen. For Americans, it seems to be not so much a legal issue, but one of culture and attitude basing on the way the history of their country was born and formed, also an attitude towards not only guns, but violence in general. There is a wide abyss between Europeans and Americans opening up, like it also does regarding some basic terms like "freedom", for example.

I must admit, though, that on gun law understanding I have shifted in recent years towards something that is more American and less European. I tend to allow (licensed) possession of pistols and revolvers if according training gets done (obligatory), and hunting rifles. Military weapons, MPs, assault guns, semi-automatic weapons and stuff like that however should stay locked to where they belong: law enforcement and military.

My father does sports precision shooting, now exclusively 9mm pistol. At his club there also are some policemen training in their free time, and an Olympia shooter as well. The policemen say that internally police is shaking heads about more gun cintrol in Germany, because we already have the probably sharpest gun laws in Europe. The crime statistics for our town show that in just one case of murder in the past 50 years, a legal firearm was used - the others invlving firearms were carried out with unregistered illegal arms.

So, it seems there is substance in the argument that tougher gun laws do little, if anything, to lower crime rates that involve firearms, since gun laws only effect registererd, legal gun owners.

(As far as I'm concerned, pistol shooting is not my thing as a sports. I tend to see it as pourely a means of combat. Thus, doing it for sports is boring to me and does not catch my interest. Dissapointing for my father, but I cannot help it).

07-20-12, 07:40 PM	#18
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I heard he used a AR 15 assault rifle,now How the hell do you get a AR 15 into a theater and not get seen, Must have no security. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

07-20-12, 07:41 PM	#19
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	I think he went in the back, through an exit door. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

07-20-12, 10:27 PM	#21
Biggles Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweden (I'm not a Viking...) Posts: 3,529 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Roughly a year after Breivik slaughtered his way through Utøya. One wonder if it was deliberately matched....? A hideous act in any case, and a truly sad day. This week sure has been bad for good ol' Earth, let's hope a quick recovery for all wounded. __________________

07-21-12, 03:58 AM	#23
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,697 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The names of perpetrators should not be withheld, so that the public knows whom to put the shame on. What would be welcomed, though, is the media acting with more self-restraint in general. Less glitter. Less giving-them-a-stage. Less talkshows putting the victim-perpetrator-role 180° around, and distorting guilt by endlessly discussing it and trying to learn why a perpetrator became what he became. For too many media, such reasonable consideration serves only as an alibi to surf on such stories as long as possible. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-21-12, 06:00 AM	#24
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,795 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Does this state still have the death penalty then? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	What is the matter with those people.

07-21-12, 08:20 AM	#25
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Good question. Hope so. Tragedy within a tragedy, this young lady experienced a similar shooting before. Her Twitter feed shows how excited she was to see the film. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/story...ist/56369600/1 __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

07-21-12, 08:29 AM	#26
Harald_Lange Ensign Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NY Harbour, Periscope depth. Posts: 235 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	I was like, hmm that's bad, another shooting, but that Twitter stream really hits home. https://mobile.twitter.com/jessicaredfield really harrowing and another senseless waste of life that will effect families for the rest of their lives.

07-21-12, 09:49 AM	#28
sidslotm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I wonder, is it not time for a minimal gun law in the USA, I mean, an assualt rifle. How can a weapon like this ever be sold across the counter and justified in public hands. It has only one purpose, military.

07-21-12, 10:18 AM	#30
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,697 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I doubt any sharpening of gun laws in the US will happen. For Americans, it seems to be not so much a legal issue, but one of culture and attitude basing on the way the history of their country was born and formed, also an attitude towards not only guns, but violence in general. There is a wide abyss between Europeans and Americans opening up, like it also does regarding some basic terms like "freedom", for example. I must admit, though, that on gun law understanding I have shifted in recent years towards something that is more American and less European. I tend to allow (licensed) possession of pistols and revolvers if according training gets done (obligatory), and hunting rifles. Military weapons, MPs, assault guns, semi-automatic weapons and stuff like that however should stay locked to where they belong: law enforcement and military. My father does sports precision shooting, now exclusively 9mm pistol. At his club there also are some policemen training in their free time, and an Olympia shooter as well. The policemen say that internally police is shaking heads about more gun cintrol in Germany, because we already have the probably sharpest gun laws in Europe. The crime statistics for our town show that in just one case of murder in the past 50 years, a legal firearm was used - the others invlving firearms were carried out with unregistered illegal arms. So, it seems there is substance in the argument that tougher gun laws do little, if anything, to lower crime rates that involve firearms, since gun laws only effect registererd, legal gun owners. (As far as I'm concerned, pistol shooting is not my thing as a sports. I tend to see it as pourely a means of combat. Thus, doing it for sports is boring to me and does not catch my interest. Dissapointing for my father, but I cannot help it). __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.