Syria Shoots Down Turkish Fighter

joegrundman · 06-23-12, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

If Turkey 'directly intervenes' I can see Russia making a lot of political noise but nothing more because NATO and or the US would have no other option than to become physically involved in response to what the west would see as Russian aggression.

My own assessment: still a storm in a tea cup.

don't count on it.

the war chants are building up slowly.

If turkey wants this to be a non-story that is resolvable with a payment and an apology, then it will be.

But if not, then this will be escalated.

Many parties are interested in escalating the Syrian situation, and Assad's days are definitely numbered, but slowly, slowly is the watchword for this time around in the regime change game. And maybe it will even be Turkey and/or Saudi Arabia that pulls the trigger (but with the nod from Washington)

p.s. anyone know what the Syrian weapon system was that downed the Phantom?

Jimbuna · 06-23-12, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman

p.s. anyone know what the Syrian weapon system was that downed the Phantom?

Possibly an SA-5 Gammon.

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According to rumors, it was an SA-5 Gammon (S-200) a long range medium to high-altitude mobile SAM produced by the Soviets in the ’60s. Five SA-5 sites are known to be active in Syria.

http://theaviationist.com/2012/06/22/tuaf-f4-shot-down/

TLAM Strike · 06-23-12, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Possibly an SA-5 Gammon.

The Syrians also have the S-300 system.

Jimbuna · 06-23-12, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

The Syrians also have the S-300 system.

May also of been an SA-11

http://www.debka.com/article/22112/N...rkish-warplane

Oberon · 06-23-12, 11:13 AM

It was an F-4...maybe the laws of physics finally caught up with it...

TLAM Strike · 06-23-12, 12:56 PM

The location and route of the down Phantom has been published. There are known SA-2 and SA-3 sites close to that location and a SA-5 site about 60 miles away.

Karle94 · 06-23-12, 01:00 PM

If Syria gets the Hind, I don`t suppose that the CIA will smuggle in a lot of Stingers like in the 80s`.

Skybird · 06-23-12, 10:48 AM

Russia announced to deliver weapons to Assad. A ship with modernised Syrian attack helicopters has just been turned back by Britain, over some insurrance formalities. It will be re-flagged and then sent back to Syria under Russian flag.

The CIA is reported to check for those groups amongst the opposition that should get weapons payed and delivered by Saudi Arabia and some other Arab countries.

Erdoghan I. and Assad once were very close buddies, but now... well, never try to look behind oriental schemes. Erdoghan could use the opportunity to profile Turkey as the strong and dominating boss of the region that he wants it to be. Or not? Will Turkey risk military confrontations with Syria, maybe?

Maybe a Turkish aid flotilla to Syria?

One thing is clear only: there is no excuse anymore not to call this a civil war.

I do not want to see any Western soldier's life put at risk over this. The Syrian oppositons (plural!) may be Assad'S enemy. But that does not make them our friends automatically.

TLAM Strike · 06-23-12, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

One thing is clear only: there is no excuse anymore not to call this a civil war. [/B][/I]

Not sure we can call it a civil war when there are IRGC troops on the ground.

06-23-12, 12:56 PM	#6
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	The location and route of the down Phantom has been published. There are known SA-2 and SA-3 sites close to that location and a SA-5 site about 60 miles away. __________________

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Karle94 The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Norseland Posts: 1,355 Downloads: 253 Uploads: 0	If Syria gets the Hind, I don`t suppose that the CIA will smuggle in a lot of Stingers like in the 80s`. __________________ Find my mods here: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lzgciodldp58p/SH4_Mods My SH4 blog here: http://karle94.blogspot.com/

06-23-12, 10:48 AM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,637 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Russia announced to deliver weapons to Assad. A ship with modernised Syrian attack helicopters has just been turned back by Britain, over some insurrance formalities. It will be re-flagged and then sent back to Syria under Russian flag. The CIA is reported to check for those groups amongst the opposition that should get weapons payed and delivered by Saudi Arabia and some other Arab countries. Erdoghan I. and Assad once were very close buddies, but now... well, never try to look behind oriental schemes. Erdoghan could use the opportunity to profile Turkey as the strong and dominating boss of the region that he wants it to be. Or not? Will Turkey risk military confrontations with Syria, maybe? Maybe a Turkish aid flotilla to Syria? One thing is clear only: there is no excuse anymore not to call this a civil war. I do not want to see any Western soldier's life put at risk over this. The Syrian oppositons (plural!) may be Assad'S enemy. But that does not make them our friends automatically. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-23-12, 11:13 AM	#5
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	It was an F-4...maybe the laws of physics finally caught up with it...