[WIP] Dynamic Environment SH5

[tonschk]

Originally Posted by gap

Can you please check in game its coordinates? Currently I don't have SH5 installed on my PC, otherwise I would do it myself

The place is somewhere north area of Norway between 68N-69N and 17E-18E , I hope this can help

If you need I can take a shot of the map and post here

[THE_MASK]

Have you seen how many files are in this mod . The only thing that needs fixing is the blue skies with no clouds . The rest of the mod is superb and i love it .

[tonschk]

Me too

Originally Posted by sober

the mod is superb and i love it .

[gap]

Originally Posted by sober

Have you seen how many files are in this mod .

several of those files are of yours!

[gap]

Originally Posted by tonschk

The place is somewhere north area of Norway between 68N-69N and 17E-18E , I hope this can help

If you need I can take a shot of the map and post here

Thank you tonschk, those coordinates are enough

I've made some research.
The next image shows the location of your screenshot as a red spot, on google earth (left):



On the right I've located (more or less) the same place on the map used as base in DynEnv.

As you can see those coordinates are laying in an area where blue and cyan pixels have been blended for rendering a climate of transition between subartic and cold temperate (Polar_A and Temperate respectively in our cfg files). In such areas conditions may vary depending on were exactly (wich pixel of the map) you are located. In this particular case it means that that both snowy or not snowy land could be possible outputs because, due to our season settings, april is still winter for subpolar climate, and spring for cold temperate climate (look at my seasons chart).

On the other hand, on google earth's map I've highlighted in yellow the position of Kiruna, the northernmost city of Norwey, not too far from the coordinates you gave me, but in inland. According to wikipedia, its daily mean temperature for the month of april is slightly under 0°C (-3.2°C). I am coming from an hot place, so I am no an expert on that matter, but I think that under these temperatures it may or may not snow, especially toward the cost of northern Norwey, where the North Atlantic Current is mitigating the climate. By the way: is there any Norwegian SH5 player here that can confirm or disconfirm my assumptions?

Anyway this is not exactly our point: we want to demonstrate that DynEnv is (or maybe is not) messing up land seasons. The location we chose is not the best one for our case study, because of the mixed pixels method that I was talking about before, and because the month of the historical mission we are using for test. Before sailing to another place I would like to ask you to visit the same location in campaign between december and february, or to load once more the same mission after installing this patch:

http://www.mediafire.com/?kzcc2t6g7wnpqfp

enable it after Dynamic Environment Base Mod, any version. In both cases it should be snowy, or at least I hope so...

[tonschk]

Thank you Gap today in the afternoon I will download and enable this patch, and will check reults, thank you again

Originally Posted by gap

I've made some research.
The next image shows the location of your screenshot as a red spot, on google earth (left):

On the right I've located (more or less) the same place on the map used as base in DynEnv.

As you can see those coordinates are laying in an area where blue and cyan pixels have been blended for rendering a climate of transition between subartic and cold temperate (Polar_A and Temperate respectively in our cfg files). In such areas conditions may vary depending on were exactly (wich pixel of the map) you are located. In this particular case it means that that both snowy or not snowy land could be possible outputs because, due to our season settings, april is still winter for subpolar climate, and spring for cold temperate climate (look at my seasons chart).

On the other hand, on google earth's map I've highlighted in yellow the position of Kiruna, the northernmost city of Norwey, not too far from the coordinates you gave me, but in inland. According to wikipedia, its daily mean temperature for the month of april is slightly under 0°C (-3.2°C). I am coming from an hot place, so I am no an expert on that matter, but I think that under these temperatures it may or may not snow, especially toward the cost of northern Norwey, where the North Atlantic Current is mitigating the climate. By the way: is there any Norwegian SH5 player here that can confirm or disconfirm my assumptions?

Anyway this is not exactly our point: we want to demonstrate that DynEnv is (or maybe is not) messing up land seasons. The location we chose is not the best one for our case study, because of the mixed pixels method that I was talking about before, and because the month of the historical mission we are using for test. Before sailing to another place I would like to ask you to visit the same location in campaign between december and february, or to load once more the same mission after installing this patch:

http://www.mediafire.com/?kzcc2t6g7wnpqfp

enable it after Dynamic Environment Base Mod, any version. In both cases it should be snowy, or at least I hope so...

[Silent Steel]

Originally Posted by gap

...the position of Kiruna, the northernmost city of Norwey

What, the Norwegians have occupied the north of Sweden?
When did they do that?
I better go get my Tommy gun

[THE_MASK]

I now run this list of mods and i think everything is ok , not the bluest sky but i have only been around the british coast .
Dynamic Environment SH5 Basemod (normal ) V2.1
stoianm colored exterior mod v2 (low color)
sobers best ever fog V9 SH5

[misha1967]

Originally Posted by sober

I now run this list of mods and i think everything is ok , not the bluest sky but i have only been around the british coast .
Dynamic Environment SH5 Basemod (normal ) V2.1
stoianm colored exterior mod v2 (low color)
sobers best ever fog V9 SH5

Tried that too, but it's still not exactly the bluest I've ever seen:



Again: No clouds (??? Those fluffy things sure look like clouds to me), no precip and no fog.

I guess I'll have to run with it for a while to see if it gets better.

As an aside, I tried putting the stock Shader back in and that didn't change anything either, so that's not the culprit.

Just a thought, Sober: I'm using the BrighterNights addon for DynEnv 2.1 (saves me having to fiddle with the gamma settings all the time), but that shouldn't affect the colors during the day, should it?

ADDED: Also, I took a quick look at the EnvColor files for DynEnv and RealEnv and, other than the water colors, didn't really see any difference between the two sets, so that might also not be the issue.

[THE_MASK]

The weather reports are not accurate . Looks overcast to me .

[gap]

Originally Posted by Silent Steel

What, the Norwegians have occupied the north of Sweden?
When did they do that?
I better go get my Tommy gun

my mistake, Silent Steel... by the way the correct location for the historical mission we are using for our tests is Narvik (I wonder how I overlooked it before ) and the mountains surrounding it should be still snowy on early may: look here.

I will see what can be done

[gap]

Originally Posted by tonschk

Thank you Gap today in the afternoon I will download and enable this patch, and will check reults, thank you again

Originally Posted by bart

take in mind that this patch is only meant for tests, as it renders an unrelistically long winter for cold temperate climate!

[Silent Steel]

Originally Posted by gap

my mistake, Silent Steel... by the way the correct location for the historical mission we are using for our tests is Narvik (I wonder how I overlooked it before ) and the mountains surrounding it should be still snowy on early may: look here.

I will see what can be done

I can confirm that the mountains can be snowy even in June, at least the peaks.
Been there

[gap]

Originally Posted by Silent Steel

I can confirm that the mountains can be snowy even in June, at least the peaks.
Been there

Okay, useful information
Thanks!

[pedrobas]

Here we go again

These are the options aplied. Each one tested several times, looking more or less the same.


Without the patch (plain DE realistic version)


With the Patch1 (plain DE realistic version + patch1 no dithering)


With the Patch2 (plain DE realistic version + patch2 no dithering-cold temperate)

Originally Posted by gap

by the way, has anyone tried to restore vanilla sky shaders, as suggested by stoianm? sober, you?

Anf just for comparing here is this exchanged tga map with the one in Real Environment 3 . Is Dynamic Environment (realistic version) but with only one file changed and that is ClimateZones.tga, so for me is obvious than the problem is there.