Hu Jintao tells China navy: Prepare for warfare - Page 2

geetrue · 12-07-11, 09:29 PM

A Romanian man named Dumitru Duduman had a vision of America going to war with China and Russia protecting their neighbor with a surprise attack on USA, but it all had something to do with Israel being surrounded by it's enemies after the USA was taken out ...

The rest gets boring and brings up the dreaded name of ______________

a side note is that Dumitru has been called a false prophet due to he thought this would happen before he died in 1997, but oh what a man he was to stand up to the KGB and deliver over 50,000 bibles into Russia from Romania

Funny how India is also gearing up for war though, an undersea war that is.

It wouldn't surprise me if we had to defend say Tawain for instance and it gets out of hand.

nikimcbee · 12-07-11, 09:38 PM

When Hu is talking about a fleet, he means a fleet of debt collectors, sailing east.

Hu to US: "Where's my money?"

Here's the actual message the Chinese sent to the bamster.

TLAM Strike · 12-07-11, 09:59 PM

Does this mean the Chinese navy has been unprepared for warfare all along?

Damn we missed our opportunity to walk over them in a day...

... looks like its going to take two days to destroy the PLAN; they are now "prepared".

Skybird · 12-08-11, 07:02 AM

The Chinese navy is the second-biggest in the world (while they have the biggest trader fleet worldwide, which is planned to be turned into a military role during war), structured into three fleets. China also is the country with the biggest pool of sailors, ship-building capacity, dockyards and harbours.

They currently undergo an accelerating modernisation program. Right now they are said to lack in communications, and air-defence. But they have a number of submarines - 68 or 86, I forgot - that should make any enemy worry. Many boats - and increasingly more of them - are modern types (amongst them around 10 Kilos of the latest type), armed with cruise missiles. The missile armaments of the surface combatants also is being improved rapidly. The topography of the waters that likely would be disputed, for the most favours submarines in many locations, making them difficult to detect. But China is also boosting its blue water capacities as well.

China has a huge arsenal of missiles of all kind, many of them being available in huge quantities, especially land-based models. This and the nearness of Chinese airbases makes any fight in the vicinity of the Chinese homeland a very daring task already, with unpredictable outcome. Numbers beat quality and experience form a certain treshhold ratio on - we learned that at the latest from the Wehrmacht in Russia.

Several vulnerable key allies of the US, namely South Korea and Japan, also Australia - are in striking range of the Chinese military, namely missiles. US planners expect the Chinese to be capable to maintain huge military operations for up to several months and beyond a 400 miles distance to China from 2015 on. Right now, they get quoted, they can do that for several weeks and at ranges of up to 400 miles.

Needless to say that the American logistical chain would be extremely long and extremely vulnerable. Whereas the Chinense would fight over Taiwan or the Chinese Sea practically on their supply bases's doorsteps.

From 2014 or 2015 on the Chinese plan to project a standing military force into the Indian ocean.

The Chinese work on control logic to fire conventionally re-armed ICBMs at naval targets, especially carriers.

The Chinese Air Force maintains roughly 1200 fighter planes, the overwhelming majorty of them interceptors. Modern types copying Russian models or being bought from Russia have started to replace the older models in huge numbers.

The public in both countries I assume to be such that high losses of the armed forces are more likely to be tolerated in China, than in the US. Which would mean the American government coming under pressure much earlier than the Chinese.

Conclusion: war with China over Taiwan or the Chinese Sea should not be taken lightly. While it is not certain that the Chinese would win, the outcome should be seen as unpredictable enough to conclude that an American victory is far from being guaranteed. The balance keeps constantly shifting in China's favour. The longer a war would last, the more likely China would win. For an American victory it would be decisive to gain a defeat of the Chinese fast and early. An ongoing war in the region I assume to be unwinnable for the US.

P.S. One thing I forgot: no other nation on Earth has a greater number of sea mines in its arsenal, than China.

Kazuaki Shimazaki II · 12-08-11, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

US planners expect the Chinese to be capable to maintain huge military operations for upü to severla mon ths and beyond a 400 miles distance to China from 2015 on. Right now, they get quoted, they can do that for several weeks and at ranges of up to 400 miles.

Can you provide link to this assessment? Thanks.

Skybird · 12-08-11, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

Can you provide link to this assessment? Thanks.

German newspapers of the past 1-2 years, I assume . I quote it all by memory. The quote you especiaslly ask about is definitely from a German site specialised on foreign politics, could have been https://ip-journal.dgap.org/ But do not ask me aboiut the essay'S title - I do not cover China systematically - just reading the news media.

Gerald · 12-08-11, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

German newspapers of the past 1-2 years, I assume . I quote it all by memory. The quote you especiaslly ask about is definitely from a German site specialised on foreign politics, could have been https://ip-journal.dgap.org/ But do not ask me aboiut the essay'S title - I do not cover China systematically - just reading the news media.

Whoops .... you say surely that you also have a memory, "I quote it all by memory",

Skybird · 12-08-11, 07:31 AM

Hm...?

Gerald · 12-08-11, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Um yeah... can we just skip the whole dropping nukes on people business? Most people only consider that kind of wanton destruction when they're trying to get rid of me.

Also if there's anybody in Sweden who can, I don't know, maybe get Vendor laid... that might not be a bad thing. I'm just sayin'.

It just gets better and better,

Gerald · 12-08-11, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Hm...?

Sky,it was a superlative that you have a good memory,

Skybird · 12-08-11, 07:51 AM

Hm. I quote it only by memory for sure, I do not have any saved essays, lists with links, or a book on Chinese military.

Gerald · 12-08-11, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Hm. I quote it only by memory for sure, I do not have any saved essays, lists with links, or a book on Chinese military.

Good, even better

Jimbuna · 12-08-11, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

When Hu is talking about a fleet, he means a fleet of debt collectors, sailing east.

Hu to US: "Where's my money?"

Here's the actual message the Chinese sent to the bamster.

LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Does this mean the Chinese navy has been unprepared for warfare all along?

Damn we missed our opportunity to walk over them in a day...

... looks like its going to take two days to destroy the PLAN; they are now "prepared".

I don't see the Chinese catching up with the US in the next twenty years...especially in blue water naval terms.

geetrue · 12-08-11, 01:04 PM

China has money and money spells power ...

All that Admiral Hu Jintao wants is a bigger fleet to control.

His needs are based on fear and fear needs more money for his
fleet to survive a war that has yet to come and that spells power to me.

Sea Demon · 12-08-11, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Does this mean the Chinese navy has been unprepared for warfare all along?

Damn we missed our opportunity to walk over them in a day...

... looks like its going to take two days to destroy the PLAN; they are now "prepared".

I wouldn't be so dismissive of China's undersea component and missiles. That could be a big mistake.

12-07-11, 09:29 PM	#16
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	A Romanian man named Dumitru Duduman had a vision of America going to war with China and Russia protecting their neighbor with a surprise attack on USA, but it all had something to do with Israel being surrounded by it's enemies after the USA was taken out ... The rest gets boring and brings up the dreaded name of ______________ a side note is that Dumitru has been called a false prophet due to he thought this would happen before he died in 1997, but oh what a man he was to stand up to the KGB and deliver over 50,000 bibles into Russia from Romania Funny how India is also gearing up for war though, an undersea war that is. It wouldn't surprise me if we had to defend say Tawain for instance and it gets out of hand. __________________

12-07-11, 09:38 PM	#17
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	When Hu is talking about a fleet, he means a fleet of debt collectors, sailing east. Hu to US: "Where's my money?" Here's the actual message the Chinese sent to the bamster. __________________

12-07-11, 09:59 PM	#18
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	Does this mean the Chinese navy has been unprepared for warfare all along? Damn we missed our opportunity to walk over them in a day... ... looks like its going to take two days to destroy the PLAN; they are now "prepared". __________________

12-08-11, 07:02 AM	#19
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,666 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The Chinese navy is the second-biggest in the world (while they have the biggest trader fleet worldwide, which is planned to be turned into a military role during war), structured into three fleets. China also is the country with the biggest pool of sailors, ship-building capacity, dockyards and harbours. They currently undergo an accelerating modernisation program. Right now they are said to lack in communications, and air-defence. But they have a number of submarines - 68 or 86, I forgot - that should make any enemy worry. Many boats - and increasingly more of them - are modern types (amongst them around 10 Kilos of the latest type), armed with cruise missiles. The missile armaments of the surface combatants also is being improved rapidly. The topography of the waters that likely would be disputed, for the most favours submarines in many locations, making them difficult to detect. But China is also boosting its blue water capacities as well. China has a huge arsenal of missiles of all kind, many of them being available in huge quantities, especially land-based models. This and the nearness of Chinese airbases makes any fight in the vicinity of the Chinese homeland a very daring task already, with unpredictable outcome. Numbers beat quality and experience form a certain treshhold ratio on - we learned that at the latest from the Wehrmacht in Russia. Several vulnerable key allies of the US, namely South Korea and Japan, also Australia - are in striking range of the Chinese military, namely missiles. US planners expect the Chinese to be capable to maintain huge military operations for up to several months and beyond a 400 miles distance to China from 2015 on. Right now, they get quoted, they can do that for several weeks and at ranges of up to 400 miles. Needless to say that the American logistical chain would be extremely long and extremely vulnerable. Whereas the Chinense would fight over Taiwan or the Chinese Sea practically on their supply bases's doorsteps. From 2014 or 2015 on the Chinese plan to project a standing military force into the Indian ocean. The Chinese work on control logic to fire conventionally re-armed ICBMs at naval targets, especially carriers. The Chinese Air Force maintains roughly 1200 fighter planes, the overwhelming majorty of them interceptors. Modern types copying Russian models or being bought from Russia have started to replace the older models in huge numbers. The public in both countries I assume to be such that high losses of the armed forces are more likely to be tolerated in China, than in the US. Which would mean the American government coming under pressure much earlier than the Chinese. Conclusion: war with China over Taiwan or the Chinese Sea should not be taken lightly. While it is not certain that the Chinese would win, the outcome should be seen as unpredictable enough to conclude that an American victory is far from being guaranteed. The balance keeps constantly shifting in China's favour. The longer a war would last, the more likely China would win. For an American victory it would be decisive to gain a defeat of the Chinese fast and early. An ongoing war in the region I assume to be unwinnable for the US. P.S. One thing I forgot: no other nation on Earth has a greater number of sea mines in its arsenal, than China. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 12-08-11 at 07:19 AM.

12-08-11, 07:31 AM	#23
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,666 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Hm...? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-08-11, 07:51 AM	#26
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,666 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Hm. I quote it only by memory for sure, I do not have any saved essays, lists with links, or a book on Chinese military. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-08-11, 01:04 PM	#29
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	China has money and money spells power ... All that Admiral Hu Jintao wants is a bigger fleet to control. His needs are based on fear and fear needs more money for his fleet to survive a war that has yet to come and that spells power to me. __________________