NY bus accused of sex discrimination

[MH]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

The Jews can be what they are, but they should respect the rights men and women have died for if they are to prosper as a part of our society.

Jeeeez...opps... oy vey take it easy lol..

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by MH

Jeeeez...opps... oy vey take it easy lol..

I didn't come across as insulting I hope. I just lack some tact when expressing myself. People can worship this guy for all I care.

http://www.venganza.org/

Now thats a God I can get behind.

The point here is sex segregation and not lesser treatment.

If the women are not getting lesser treatment then why are they at the back?
But look on the bright side, they havn't started making women use the emergency exit instead of having them dirtying the bus doorway yet

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

If the women are not getting lesser treatment then why are they at the back?
But look on the bright side, they havn't started making women use the emergency exit instead of having them dirtying the bus doorway yet

Behave yersel

[TLAM Strike]

I think it wrong to discriminate against people having sex on New York City buses...


... wait what?

Oh that's the subway...

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

If the women are not getting lesser treatment then why are they at the back?

So you could ask stupid questions?
Would it make you feel better if they switch around and put curtain in middle of bus?
it would be opposite to the KKK days-so no hard feelings.

[Jimbuna]

Looking like a game of chess......people!!

So you could ask stupid questions?

It is a sensible question, its just that you don't like the answer.
But its OK I know you get all bunkery over segregated buses and shops and the "modesty police"...hey sounds like mecca don't it

Would it make you feel better if they switch around and put curtain in middle of bus?

If the men were made to go in the back and didn't object it would prove me wrong wouldn't it. It would also demonstrate that you are correct in your rather ludicrous "segregation not lesser treatment" line.
It would be better if they kept it in temple and the home and didn't try and impose it on public transport where such discrimination is clearly illegal.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

It would be better if they kept it in temple and the home and didn't try and impose it on public transport where such discrimination is clearly illegal.

Yes it would be better.
It is the case with most orthodox Jews besides the hardcore ones.
Many orthodox Rabbis don't like the bus segregation and view it as unnecessary but there are always the hardcore zombies.

In Jerusalem you can easily ride a bus with orthodox and lite dressed women mixed together.
At rear occasions one can be asked politely to change seat to be next to a man so that woman can be next to women.
You can respect that or tell them to bugger off which happens sometimes as well.

There are also some kosher zombie lines that try to enforce the segregation mainly between strictly hardcore places...dumb as it may be.

Orthodox can be nuisance but don't have horns.

There are also some kosher zombie lines that try to enforce the segregation mainly between strictly hardcore places...dumb as it may be.

Illegal as it may be is the more accurate phrase.
Are not some of these "zombie lines" up for contempt of court for refusing to allow segregation to be "voluntary" and for refusing to post the notices that any attempts at forced segregation on their public buses are illegal?

Orthodox can be nuisance but don't have horns.

Some Orthodox can be a nuisance. You can't paint them all the same,that would be too orthodox

[vienna]

Questions not answered in the BBC story:

1. Does the bus service get any federal, state, or local funding or subsidies? If it does, then the practice is illegal and unconstitutional;

2. Does the bus line only serve a particular population, i.e., it does not pick up members of the public at large at regular bus stops but only provides service by subscription, for example. If it doesn't, then the practice is illegal and unconstitutional;

Religious or other factors do not apply as an exemption if the line is public and/or sudsidized by tax dollars or open to the general public...

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by vienna

Questions not answered in the BBC story:

1. Does the bus service get any federal, state, or local funding or subsidies? If it does, then the practice is illegal and unconstitutional;

2. Does the bus line only serve a particular population, i.e., it does not pick up members of the public at large at regular bus stops but only provides service by subscription, for example. If it doesn't, then the practice is illegal and unconstitutional;

Religious or other factors do not apply as an exemption if the line is public and/or sudsidized by tax dollars or open to the general public...

It is a privately CONTRACTED bus by the city - which pays the contract from the public coffer - so it is recieving public funds, one way or the other.

As the bus is "public" - it would serve the public at large. As a public transportation vehicle, it would be illegal to refuse to pick up a member of the general public based on them not being part of a "specific population" group.

If this is happening - the bus contractor has stepped in the cowpie.

[Penguin]

In my opinion the signs in those busses are illegal, but it will not be easy to blame the bus company, as the passengers insisted on the change of seats. The driver could be blamed for not enforcing anti-discrimination laws by not having taken action.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

It is a privately CONTRACTED bus by the city - which pays the contract from the public coffer - so it is recieving public funds, one way or the other.

The original article, linked in the BBC article, stated that the bus company is not a contractor but a franchise taker, which pays the city for the license to operate the line.
However it still falls under the MTA authority and thus is bound to their laws which forbid segregation.

Originally Posted by MH

In Jerusalem you can easily ride a bus with orthodox and lite dressed women mixed together.
At rear occasions one can be asked politely to change seat to be next to a man so that woman can be next to women.
You can respect that or tell them to bugger off which happens sometimes as well.

As someone who traditionally likes to ride in the back, I have a question: What would happen if I sat in the back, would the women insist on a seat change, would the males regard me as a traitor? Or would they just see me as a weird tourist guy?

Originally Posted by MH

NYC is different case.
As the NYC mayor put it-They can buy their own buses.

Yep, or just buy the women a cab ride, where they sit in the back

Originally Posted by MH

I simply hate how those things turn in to Jews do this... do that issue... because of ww2... blah ...blah.
If anyone can turn those anti Zionists into scientist and doctors ill be glad to know how it can be done.

It's the same we see in all the other threads, e.g. the Tea Party/Occupy thing: blame them all for some goofballs in their rows.

Btw: I am a former anti-zionist, who will hold a scientific degree (hopefully) soon.