It's like a sci-fi story - Page 3

Skybird · 09-07-11, 05:03 AM

Believing is not knowing.

What one believs to know, but has no hard fact for to prove it, in the end is just belief.

Believe what you want, Castout. What people annoys is that in many threats now you make more of it than what it is, and accuse others of what you are guilty of yourself. We psychologists call that a "projection".

Believe what you want, but if you say you know that something is a fact, you need to deliver evidence. Not hear-say. Not just man-written old old scripture. Not rumours, and reports of your brain fireworks going of. Evidence.

Psychiatries are full of people who say exactly the same things like you. If evidence to prove the claimed truth is not needed, then one starts to wonder why one considers them to be ill?

On the inner contradictions of Christian belief in a deity, I do not even start this time. The dance had been done often enough.

Again, believe what you want, may it be God or the man in the moon or flying spaghetti monsters or whatever. But stop telling the world that what you believe equals knowledge. That is an offence to every thinking man's mind, and that is what raises other people's anger.

Believing something - is not knowing. Just an unproven, unchecked assumption that something is like one believes it is.

On a personal sidenote, I do not believe in your claims for one reason. Having done meditation for over half my life now, having had two good mentors and having taught meditation for several years now, I learned one thing - the more people truly understand about the nature of their mind, the less eager they behave to become noisy and rich in words about it. That is an empirical finding from my own observation. Whatever it is that characterises an experience of enlightenment, it is nothing that can be caught in words or conceptions - in this advise, the mystics of all times and of all cultures, from Hinduism and Buddhism over Sufism to Christian mystics and Kabbala, are united. The mere repetitiveness of your claims that you "know" about God, is a strong hint that you know nothing but just want to draw attention. It is not God you speak about, it is your ego, cleverly cloaked in missionary shine and pretended modesty that indeed at times revealed itself as haughtiness on some occasions.

Small doubt - small awakening. Big doubt - big awakening.

No doubt - no awakening.

Betonov · 09-07-11, 06:05 AM

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On being crazy.
Of course I'm not crazy. A crazy person wouldn't be able to finish a tertiary degree. They wouldn't have any social relationship. They wouldn't be able to even assemble a model kit, read complicated board game rules and play them or even have a chat or conversation with someone well.

I can and I do

Dowly · 09-07-11, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Castout

On being crazy.
Of course I'm not crazy. A crazy person wouldn't be able to finish a tertiary degree. They wouldn't have any social relationship. They wouldn't be able to even assemble a model kit, read complicated board game rules and play them or even have a chat or conversation with someone well.

Now that's just not true.

Castout · 09-07-11, 06:39 AM

@Sailor Steve thank you for your kind words about helping me if you could. I'm pretty okay at the moment. I'm not hoping for help from any individual actually.

In my moments of need God so far has been good to me. In 2002 I should have bought an air ticket and went back home after God warned me about people wanting to kill me. But if I did that, it would probably just prolong the ordeal since I got to go back to that state again and would convince more people I was nuts. I had to face it.

A few years ago as I was walking on the sidewalk on my way to an eatery, God made me feel the heart of a murderer. He was addicted to murdering. He was a Chinese young man with a well built upper body. I don't know why but I felt his intention and knew that he was a murderer. I swear I'm not making this up but anyway as soon as I felt him I turned around to look at him and he then quickly changed his direction to go into an eatery.

I have NO DOUBT the man was an assassin BUT I'm not sure whether he really wanted to kill me or just wanted to frighten me BUT one cannot fake intention. His was to kill. If I had more courage I'd point my finger at him and call him murderer again and again and again and again for the many lives he has taken away. Killing now I realize could be very addictive to some people. Almost like craving. Quite sickening.

Maybe someday I'll be killed, maybe not either case I have some life.

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Now that's just not true.

. Okay I'm completely MAD.

Dowly · 09-07-11, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Castout

. Okay I'm completely MAD.

Not saying you are, just that your statement wasn't entirely accurate.

Olsin · 09-07-11, 07:36 AM

Olsin slowly shakes his head while softly scratching his temple with his right forefinger .. Looking down at the keyboard his early morning, coffee deprived brain struggles to find the correct formulation for what should hopefully be a neutrally charged hypothesis based on his own beliefs concerning aliens, the goverment, god and the devil..
Re-reading the bulk of this thread doesn't help .. Olsin feels that it doesn't really matter what he says, he's going to offend someone .. especially the more god fearing citizens out there.
Opening a fresh packet of cigarettes Olsin pulls one free and reaches for his lighter. He stares blankly at a discriminate spot on the far wall as he ignites his cigarette and draws deeply.

The old saying "incredible claims demand incredible proof" springs to his mind yet .. yeh .. "hasn't that ground already been covered" he thinks to himself.
Realising a dead horse can't be flogged Olsin leans back in his chair and lets his legs rest up on the edge of a nearby table while letting his mind mull over a line he read earlier on concerning human psychology .. "absolutely!" he says to himself "theres so much we don't know about human psychology yet that it's dissapointing to hear opinions worded as fact, belief as gospel and truth as static .. we are indeed our own worst enemies!"
Olsin lets his earlier thoughts of a comment to this thread drift away .. Planting his feet firmly back on the floor Olsin reaches for the mouse and casually clicks the back button .............

mapuc · 09-07-11, 02:18 PM

Ohh by the way-if you have seen thise videos, you would have notice that they/he say, that 21/12-2012 is the day when the earth have cleaned it self and 22/12-2012 is the first day in a new era. If not 21/12-2012, when is then suppose to happen? In some of those videos they say it should start in this autumn.

they are talking about two object:

1. Elenin-was- as told befor in this thread-starting to fall apart-
(according to video number 60, it was the Kurilians who had fired upon it)

2. Brown Dwarf-this is a little solarsystem that is gonna pass us in this autumn. Given it's speed the habitant of the earth will live in total darkness for three days(the dwarf should be a little bigger than the earth) This comet/planet(a.k.a Nibiru) is so metallic that everyone that's outside during the passage. will get their brain toasted(=zombie)

They say that this dwarf should come from the sun and it should come from an angle of 33 degres(do not know what that means) and we should spot it somewhere in sep-oct.

So it's up to everyone if he or she believe all this or is this Captain Bill really having this "Meeting" or it's just some that's coming from a person that's suffering from some case of paranoia or something like that.

I read/listen to it, as it was a sci-fi novel(not so god)

AND I have seen those videos with an openminded attitude.

Markus

Flaxpants · 09-07-11, 11:01 PM

What I find quite remarkable about the belief in all these claims of there being another planet 'Nibiru', is the fact that very few (if any) of these claims come from respected astronomers, who after all are watching the heavens constantly. If there was such a planet they surely would have spotted it years ago.

The same can be said for most alleged UFO sightings, why is it not the astronomers who see these mostly? After all, they have the equipment and spend most of their time looking upwards.....

Sailor Steve · 09-07-11, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Castout

@Sailor Steve thank you for your kind words about helping me if you could. I'm pretty okay at the moment. I'm not hoping for help from any individual actually.

Glad to hear it.

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. Okay I'm completely MAD.

I'm not saying you are or you aren't. I would have no way of knowing that. But what I've come to realize is that I also have no way of knowing for certain whether or not I'm sane. How would you tell? It has been my observation that the people who shout the loudest that they're not crazy are the ones I worry about the most, because they don't seem to be able to tell the difference. And they're the ones most likely to turn violent if you question their sanity. Again, we haven't met, so I'm not even trying to say you are one of those. But if you don't question your own feelings and actions, who will?

Looking back over my own life I've become convinced that a lot of the problems I had when I was younger were indeed my own doing, and I'm not sure I'm over them even today. I keep a pretty tight reign on myself just because I'm aware of the possibility of doing something I'll regret later. I am partly loopy, but I know it and that helps keep me harmless.

So when someone insists that they're right about anything they think they "know", my first response is always to ask "Are you sure?" Because I'm not sure about anything, and I wonder if anyone else really is.

Skybird · 09-08-11, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Flaxpants

The same can be said for most alleged UFO sightings, why is it not the astronomers who see these mostly? After all, they have the equipment and spend most of their time looking upwards.....

After all it has often been well-trained professional personell confirming such sightings: airliner pilots, military pilots, radar operators and traffic operators... The chance to catch a fast movin object in the atmosphere with an astronomic telescope of big size, is almost nil. The focus set for the distant stars could prevent an object close by to even be visible (if you have a refractor objective for your SLR camera, try it), and the telescope covers just a microscopi ammount of all visible sky above you.

Torplexed · 09-08-11, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Flaxpants

What I find quite remarkable about the belief in all these claims of there being another planet 'Nibiru', is the fact that very few (if any) of these claims come from respected astronomers, who after all are watching the heavens constantly. If there was such a planet they surely would have spotted it years ago.

The conspiracy theorists who believe this drivel would tell you that the astronomers, being in the pay of NASA or some state funded university are government employees paid to keep their silence. Even overlooking that slipshod reasoning, what they seem to be oblivious of is the thousands of amateur astronomers out there of every nationality with excellent instruments. They are the ones who actually discover and catalog the vast majority of new objects in the solar system such as comets and asteroids. They're beholden to no one and they've seen no Nibiru.

Frankly, when you tell one of these idiots that you could Nibiru through a pair of decent binoculars if you knew where to look they beg off and make excuses. Apparently getting out from behind a computer and actually investigating for themselves is too much work. Much more fun to stay on the internet and mince on about scientific conspiracy.

09-07-11, 05:03 AM	#31
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,729 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Believing is not knowing. What one believs to know, but has no hard fact for to prove it, in the end is just belief. Believe what you want, Castout. What people annoys is that in many threats now you make more of it than what it is, and accuse others of what you are guilty of yourself. We psychologists call that a "projection". Believe what you want, but if you say you know that something is a fact, you need to deliver evidence. Not hear-say. Not just man-written old old scripture. Not rumours, and reports of your brain fireworks going of. Evidence. Psychiatries are full of people who say exactly the same things like you. If evidence to prove the claimed truth is not needed, then one starts to wonder why one considers them to be ill? On the inner contradictions of Christian belief in a deity, I do not even start this time. The dance had been done often enough. Again, believe what you want, may it be God or the man in the moon or flying spaghetti monsters or whatever. But stop telling the world that what you believe equals knowledge. That is an offence to every thinking man's mind, and that is what raises other people's anger. Believing something - is not knowing. Just an unproven, unchecked assumption that something is like one believes it is. On a personal sidenote, I do not believe in your claims for one reason. Having done meditation for over half my life now, having had two good mentors and having taught meditation for several years now, I learned one thing - the more people truly understand about the nature of their mind, the less eager they behave to become noisy and rich in words about it. That is an empirical finding from my own observation. Whatever it is that characterises an experience of enlightenment, it is nothing that can be caught in words or conceptions - in this advise, the mystics of all times and of all cultures, from Hinduism and Buddhism over Sufism to Christian mystics and Kabbala, are united. The mere repetitiveness of your claims that you "know" about God, is a strong hint that you know nothing but just want to draw attention. It is not God you speak about, it is your ego, cleverly cloaked in missionary shine and pretended modesty that indeed at times revealed itself as haughtiness on some occasions. Small doubt - small awakening. Big doubt - big awakening. No doubt - no awakening. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 09-07-11 at 05:14 AM.

09-07-11, 07:36 AM	#36
Olsin Bosun Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Denmark Posts: 63 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Olsin slowly shakes his head while softly scratching his temple with his right forefinger .. Looking down at the keyboard his early morning, coffee deprived brain struggles to find the correct formulation for what should hopefully be a neutrally charged hypothesis based on his own beliefs concerning aliens, the goverment, god and the devil.. Re-reading the bulk of this thread doesn't help .. Olsin feels that it doesn't really matter what he says, he's going to offend someone .. especially the more god fearing citizens out there. Opening a fresh packet of cigarettes Olsin pulls one free and reaches for his lighter. He stares blankly at a discriminate spot on the far wall as he ignites his cigarette and draws deeply. The old saying "incredible claims demand incredible proof" springs to his mind yet .. yeh .. "hasn't that ground already been covered" he thinks to himself. Realising a dead horse can't be flogged Olsin leans back in his chair and lets his legs rest up on the edge of a nearby table while letting his mind mull over a line he read earlier on concerning human psychology .. "absolutely!" he says to himself "theres so much we don't know about human psychology yet that it's dissapointing to hear opinions worded as fact, belief as gospel and truth as static .. we are indeed our own worst enemies!" Olsin lets his earlier thoughts of a comment to this thread drift away .. Planting his feet firmly back on the floor Olsin reaches for the mouse and casually clicks the back button ............. __________________ Prediction is a very hard thing to do, especially if it's about the future .. Niels Bohr.

09-07-11, 02:18 PM	#37
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,576 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Ohh by the way-if you have seen thise videos, you would have notice that they/he say, that 21/12-2012 is the day when the earth have cleaned it self and 22/12-2012 is the first day in a new era. If not 21/12-2012, when is then suppose to happen? In some of those videos they say it should start in this autumn. they are talking about two object: 1. Elenin-was- as told befor in this thread-starting to fall apart- (according to video number 60, it was the Kurilians who had fired upon it) 2. Brown Dwarf-this is a little solarsystem that is gonna pass us in this autumn. Given it's speed the habitant of the earth will live in total darkness for three days(the dwarf should be a little bigger than the earth) This comet/planet(a.k.a Nibiru) is so metallic that everyone that's outside during the passage. will get their brain toasted(=zombie) They say that this dwarf should come from the sun and it should come from an angle of 33 degres(do not know what that means) and we should spot it somewhere in sep-oct. So it's up to everyone if he or she believe all this or is this Captain Bill really having this "Meeting" or it's just some that's coming from a person that's suffering from some case of paranoia or something like that. I read/listen to it, as it was a sci-fi novel(not so god) AND I have seen those videos with an openminded attitude. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

09-07-11, 11:01 PM	#38
Flaxpants Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Koh Samui, Thailand Posts: 1,196 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	What I find quite remarkable about the belief in all these claims of there being another planet 'Nibiru', is the fact that very few (if any) of these claims come from respected astronomers, who after all are watching the heavens constantly. If there was such a planet they surely would have spotted it years ago. The same can be said for most alleged UFO sightings, why is it not the astronomers who see these mostly? After all, they have the equipment and spend most of their time looking upwards.....