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Originally Posted by Castout
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Claims? Like what? I never claimed. At most I gave my testimony. And you claimed I'm lying.
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I've never said you're lying. I've asked you to prove it. There's a huge difference. You could be right. I don't know. But if you're going to say you've seen God, I'd like some evidence. If not, then it's just hearsay. My comment was based on you calling the video's claims "trash". Goose and Gander? Pot and Kettle?
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I don't know who put the poison into you Steve.
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No poison at all, just skepticism.
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I thought we were cool. But the one who is claiming is you: that I am lying.
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Again, show where I've ever said that.
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So you claimed that my testimonies are false thus you claimed that you're making yourself a judge of my experience?
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You call someone's claims trash. In this case I agree. But you make flat-out statements and expect everyone to accept them on your word. I'd like to know it for a fact.
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And please do specify what claims that you claimed i've made. Please you must. And please based on what evidence that you now judge those to be false and by what authority you made yourself a judge of somebody's else experience. Please Steve let us or me know.
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You claim on a regular basis to "know for a fact" that God exists. I just want to see some facts so I can know it too.
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And you know Steve everybody here has the right to post anywhere they LIKE, GT included without exception. There's no obligation to prefer a few forum sections than another.
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Absolutely. And if Jimbuna were to start claiming that space aliens had landed and talked to him (not that he believed in them, but that they had actually talked to him) I would demand the same evidence. Do you see the difference?
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Not at all. Someone must have put poison into you. I've observed everyone that hated me for no reason will suffer hardship in their life sooner or later and can't turn around it.
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I don't hate you at all. I'm just asking for some evidence for what you "know". You see, I used to believe as well, but I no longer do because I've looked long and hard and realized that there is no evidence. I don't claim you're lying, or even that you're wrong, which is why I'm not an atheist. I just want to see some proof, that's all.
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Now I will make you hate me even more. I once asked God a private question and I asked Him to give me an earthquake as the answer and you know what He did! Right then Steve right then. I was perhaps the only person who dared to remain standing while the floor moved all over.
So you see Steve this is not another claim as a person is required to prove a claim because the purpose of a claim is to convince while I'm just telling you Steve of this as a testimony. Hate me more or laugh at me more I really don't care as a lying person would try to make people believe his lies whereas I'm not even trying to make anyone to believe me as I'm merely mentioning it as a testimony from my part. I do not give a hell whether anyone would believe or otherwise. I'm here to make a statement and try to give them a clue that the world is larger than their perception.
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If I don't hate you at all, it's kind of hard to hate you more. On the other hand, I paraphrase Thomas Paine: "If God talks to me it's a revelation. If I tell someone else, it's hearsay." So maybe your earthquake really happened. I can't, and won't, say it didn't. But if you want me to believe you, you need to show some proof.
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But if you claim I am lying then you better prove it as you're claiming that you can prove that those are false.
You see even a liar would try to make his lies.....believable so that people are more susceptible to his lies. I'm not trying to do that as I'm not lying.
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I can claim to have a pet tyrannosaurus in my backyard. Do I? If I make the claim it's up to me to prove it. You called the videos that started this thread "trash". By the standards you stated you need to prove that they are. Can you?
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I can even tell you what the dead feel: they are no longer aware of themselves, no longer remember God and unable to register the passage of time. They can't think nor feel, they can't pray to nor praise God. The only good thing is that they are unable to register the passage of time.
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And how exactly do you know this? Can you show me?
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You see there must be reason why the dead do not simply vanish but still kept in such condition.
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Umm, because they're dead? And they aren't kept in any condition. They rot away, eaten by bacteria and then worms, until there's nothing left but the bones, and in time perhaps not even that.
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That reason must be resurrection and that they are no longer aware of the passing of time would mean they will never feel they have been in death for long before they are raised.
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"Must be"? I'm not discounting the possibility, but there is no "must be" here. Once again, saying you believe it requires no proof, but claiming for a fact that it's real most certainly does.
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I know all this because once God revealed this to me(without me dying of course)
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Please show me. I'm not calling you a liar, and never have, but I was a devout believer for many years and never once actually had such a revelation. Maybe you did, but for the rest of us claiming it doesn't make it so. Should I hail you as a prophet? Or should I ask for evidence? My reason and natural skepticism force me to do the latter.
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I who once believed like any other stupid Catholic does. A Catholic who read his bible but never understood too many crucial parts of it until God helped me on that one.
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Why are you attacking the Catholics? Or bringing them into this at all. I don't know that they're wrong either. Or the Muslims, for that matter.
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Believe me or otherwise all this is in the scriptures too but that the mainstream Christianity have rejected this in place of a Greek idea of heaven, that is of immediate life after death. This is too not a claim but a testimony, a statement that for this one has the backing of the scriptures even the Muslim Koran.
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And how do I know that mainstream Christianity is wrong? Because you say so? One last time, all I've ever asked is that if you are going to claim, in public, that you know for a fact that there is a God and that he has indeed spoken to you, that you show some evidence so I can believe it too. If not, then maybe you should talk about what you believe, and not what you "know".