It's like a sci-fi story

[Castout]

It's trash.


The most dangerous trash is one which combine truth with lies.

Not sure which trash that one is because I have no interest to watch it beyond the first 10 sec.

[Sailor Steve]

Sorry, the writing is so poor and full of mistakes I went crazy after a minute or so. That, and it was extremely boring.

Originally Posted by Castout

The most dangerous trash is one which combine truth with lies.

Funny that you should say that, considering some of the claims you've made.

[joea]

What's with the computer voice? Boring and dumb.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by joea

What's with the computer voice? Boring and dumb.

Probably a pathetic attempt to ape the sound of physicist Steven Hawkins' voice synthesizer. "Maybe If I sound like a famous scientist, the gullible and brain-dead will buy my story".

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Funny that you should say that, considering some of the claims you've made.

Claims? Like what? I never claimed. At most I gave my testimony. And you claimed I'm lying.

I don't know who put the poison into you Steve. I thought we were cool. But the one who is claiming is you: that I am lying.

So you claimed that my testimonies are false thus you claimed that you're making yourself a judge of my experience?

Interesting Steve.

And please do specify what claims that you claimed i've made. Please you must. And please based on what evidence that you now judge those to be false and by what authority you made yourself a judge of somebody's else experience. Please Steve let us or me know.

And you know Steve everybody here has the right to post anywhere they LIKE, GT included without exception. There's no obligation to prefer a few forum sections than another. Not at all. Someone must have put poison into you. I've observed everyone that hated me for no reason will suffer hardship in their life sooner or later and can't turn around it. I have a regime who took so much of my life and I still make my stand and alive and have my hopes. I will not let anyone or even the world, the devil or anything but God to have the audacity to condemn me. Come what may I don't give a damn. Why Steve why? It seems I have misjudged you. I'm disappointed . . . or not . . . . since I am not exactly your friend in the first place anyway.

Now I will make you hate me even more. I once asked God a private question and I asked Him to give me an earthquake as the answer and you know what He did! Right then Steve right then. I was perhaps the only person who dared to remain standing while the floor moved all over.
So you see Steve this is not another claim as a person is required to prove a claim because the purpose of a claim is to convince while I'm just telling you Steve of this as a testimony. Hate me more or laugh at me more I really don't care as a lying person would try to make people believe his lies whereas I'm not even trying to make anyone to believe me as I'm merely mentioning it as a testimony from my part. I do not give a hell whether anyone would believe or otherwise. I'm here to make a statement and try to give them a clue that the world is larger than their perception.

But if you claim I am lying then you better prove it as you're claiming that you can prove that those are false.
You see even a liar would try to make his lies.....believable so that people are more susceptible to his lies. I'm not trying to do that as I'm not lying.

I can even tell you what the dead feel: they are no longer aware of themselves, no longer remember God and unable to register the passage of time. They can't think nor feel, they can't pray to nor praise God. The only good thing is that they are unable to register the passage of time. You see there must be reason why the dead do not simply vanish but still kept in such condition. That reason must be resurrection and that they are no longer aware of the passing of time would mean they will never feel they have been in death for long before they are raised. The closest word to describe the condition of the dead is 'sleeping' though it's not an exact word as death is a sleep without end, a perpetual sleep. I know all this because once God revealed this to me(without me dying of course) I who once believed like any other stupid Catholic does. A Catholic who read his bible but never understood too many crucial parts of it until God helped me on that one.

Believe me or otherwise all this is in the scriptures too but that the mainstream Christianity have rejected this in place of a Greek idea of heaven, that is of immediate life after death. This is too not a claim but a testimony, a statement that for this one has the backing of the scriptures even the Muslim Koran.

Funny that you should say that, considering some of the claims you've made.

Is that a personal attack?

What's with the computer voice?

Its advanced alien technology from the planet Bleeuuurgah-Ka.

Boring and dumb.

Not surprising if you consider that planet it came from.

[Dowly]

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Castout

Claims? Like what? I never claimed. At most I gave my testimony. And you claimed I'm lying.

I've never said you're lying. I've asked you to prove it. There's a huge difference. You could be right. I don't know. But if you're going to say you've seen God, I'd like some evidence. If not, then it's just hearsay. My comment was based on you calling the video's claims "trash". Goose and Gander? Pot and Kettle?

I don't know who put the poison into you Steve.

No poison at all, just skepticism.

I thought we were cool. But the one who is claiming is you: that I am lying.

Again, show where I've ever said that.

So you claimed that my testimonies are false thus you claimed that you're making yourself a judge of my experience?

You call someone's claims trash. In this case I agree. But you make flat-out statements and expect everyone to accept them on your word. I'd like to know it for a fact.

And please do specify what claims that you claimed i've made. Please you must. And please based on what evidence that you now judge those to be false and by what authority you made yourself a judge of somebody's else experience. Please Steve let us or me know.

You claim on a regular basis to "know for a fact" that God exists. I just want to see some facts so I can know it too.

And you know Steve everybody here has the right to post anywhere they LIKE, GT included without exception. There's no obligation to prefer a few forum sections than another.

Absolutely. And if Jimbuna were to start claiming that space aliens had landed and talked to him (not that he believed in them, but that they had actually talked to him) I would demand the same evidence. Do you see the difference?

Not at all. Someone must have put poison into you. I've observed everyone that hated me for no reason will suffer hardship in their life sooner or later and can't turn around it.

I don't hate you at all. I'm just asking for some evidence for what you "know". You see, I used to believe as well, but I no longer do because I've looked long and hard and realized that there is no evidence. I don't claim you're lying, or even that you're wrong, which is why I'm not an atheist. I just want to see some proof, that's all.

Now I will make you hate me even more. I once asked God a private question and I asked Him to give me an earthquake as the answer and you know what He did! Right then Steve right then. I was perhaps the only person who dared to remain standing while the floor moved all over.
So you see Steve this is not another claim as a person is required to prove a claim because the purpose of a claim is to convince while I'm just telling you Steve of this as a testimony. Hate me more or laugh at me more I really don't care as a lying person would try to make people believe his lies whereas I'm not even trying to make anyone to believe me as I'm merely mentioning it as a testimony from my part. I do not give a hell whether anyone would believe or otherwise. I'm here to make a statement and try to give them a clue that the world is larger than their perception.

If I don't hate you at all, it's kind of hard to hate you more. On the other hand, I paraphrase Thomas Paine: "If God talks to me it's a revelation. If I tell someone else, it's hearsay." So maybe your earthquake really happened. I can't, and won't, say it didn't. But if you want me to believe you, you need to show some proof.

But if you claim I am lying then you better prove it as you're claiming that you can prove that those are false.
You see even a liar would try to make his lies.....believable so that people are more susceptible to his lies. I'm not trying to do that as I'm not lying.

I can claim to have a pet tyrannosaurus in my backyard. Do I? If I make the claim it's up to me to prove it. You called the videos that started this thread "trash". By the standards you stated you need to prove that they are. Can you?

I can even tell you what the dead feel: they are no longer aware of themselves, no longer remember God and unable to register the passage of time. They can't think nor feel, they can't pray to nor praise God. The only good thing is that they are unable to register the passage of time.

And how exactly do you know this? Can you show me?

You see there must be reason why the dead do not simply vanish but still kept in such condition.

Umm, because they're dead? And they aren't kept in any condition. They rot away, eaten by bacteria and then worms, until there's nothing left but the bones, and in time perhaps not even that.

That reason must be resurrection and that they are no longer aware of the passing of time would mean they will never feel they have been in death for long before they are raised.

"Must be"? I'm not discounting the possibility, but there is no "must be" here. Once again, saying you believe it requires no proof, but claiming for a fact that it's real most certainly does.

I know all this because once God revealed this to me(without me dying of course)

Please show me. I'm not calling you a liar, and never have, but I was a devout believer for many years and never once actually had such a revelation. Maybe you did, but for the rest of us claiming it doesn't make it so. Should I hail you as a prophet? Or should I ask for evidence? My reason and natural skepticism force me to do the latter.

I who once believed like any other stupid Catholic does. A Catholic who read his bible but never understood too many crucial parts of it until God helped me on that one.

Why are you attacking the Catholics? Or bringing them into this at all. I don't know that they're wrong either. Or the Muslims, for that matter.

Believe me or otherwise all this is in the scriptures too but that the mainstream Christianity have rejected this in place of a Greek idea of heaven, that is of immediate life after death. This is too not a claim but a testimony, a statement that for this one has the backing of the scriptures even the Muslim Koran.

And how do I know that mainstream Christianity is wrong? Because you say so? One last time, all I've ever asked is that if you are going to claim, in public, that you know for a fact that there is a God and that he has indeed spoken to you, that you show some evidence so I can believe it too. If not, then maybe you should talk about what you believe, and not what you "know".

[kiwi_2005]

"The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets." General Douglas MacArthur

[mapuc]

The videos that I have linked to, could give the impression that I would talk about the end of the world. That's NOT the case here.

I love Sci-fi, wether it's on tv, or in a book.

and those videos is for like an online digital audiobook nothing more nothing less.

But, let us for a second, talk about the "message" in those videos. You can choose from one of thise statement, I have presented below.

1. I believe in everything they say on that video
2. The world is coming to an end one day, but no one knows when
3. The world is gonna remain forever and ever.

I have picked number 2.
I believe the world one day, will get rid of us.

But the main message I delieve in the thread, is about those videos wich I see as an online digital sci-fi audiobook.

So please my beloved friends, do not mock your friends even if they have an another believe

Markus

[Dowly]

If we don't kill ourselves or the Earth get rid of us, the Sun going BIG-BADA-BOOM will, so I'll say #2.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I've never said you're lying. I've asked you to prove it. There's a huge difference. You could be right. I don't know. But if you're going to say you've seen God, I'd like some evidence. If not, then it's just hearsay. My comment was based on you calling the video's claims "trash". Goose and Gander? Pot and Kettle?

I cannot show you God because God showed Himself to whoever He wants.

You're assuming that a person can prove you God. Even Moses cannot make God to appear before anyone. If you want the proof of God seek God yourself.

I have testimonies that I know God but for it to be proof you need to know me otherwise you will just say I'm lying. I can only testify and some of those testimonies can be proof when they happen ahead of time or when some knowledge involved not having to do with studying the scripture.

I'm 100% confident that I will pass lying detector on the statements I made about God. But that still won't prove I'm speaking the truth but that will prove I'm convinced I'm speaking the truth.

People who took much of my life rely on LIES and if I were to lie just like them I would be the same as them.

Now I give you a statement that I know what death feels like and it conforms to the bible BUT you wouldn't still consider it the truth as you might say I studied the bible first before coming out with my conclusion UNLESS you knew me beforehand and knew me well.
I have the document that you can read. The testimony itself is just one one page long. It's NOT meant to PROVE my testimony but meant as a testimony that is backed by scripture study. Even when you do not believe the testimony you cannot ignore the scripture pointed. But the question a critical minded person should be asking is without experiencing my testimony or similar to it how does one know the scripture is correct?
That is for God to do not a person.

I'm not a liar nor am I crazy.

I have witness that can tell you I knew event before they come to pass. BUT you could name anything to that: coincidence, psychic, etc.

Or that I feel what other people feel sometimes. But even that is not controllable and happens when they happen. It is not a power. It gives me understanding that other people are like myself, well most other people. Even that you can call me a psychic instead. SIGH.

Or that I see NOT with my eyes the invisible beings though RARELY. But how can you prove that when no one seems to be able to realize what I saw and saw rarely and not even with my physical eyes. They'd call that imaginary. I know they are true for good reasons that most people just cannot understand because the experience is shut to them.


I DO NOT expect anyone to believe me. But if they call me a liar they better prove it. I'm perfectly fine with DON'T KNOW.

Skepticism is alright even good but you need CRITICAL skepticism. That means it's not mere sentiment to deem something a lie but an active effort to find whether something is true or otherwise. It's a curiosity and passion to actively find the truth. And you're not being skeptic, You're being insulting and disrespectful. In a word you're being an ass. I'm sure large part of it is because you're afraid....afraid that I am right and that fear turns into hate towards me. I am not your problem. The problem is with yourself, you need to come to terms with whatever fear my statements pose to you. It's not me, it's you. I hope you have the courage to be willing to see that.

Do you know why I'm making these statements? Because my enemies have been mocking God and they are very influential with their power and money but shamelessly they use LIES to cover their shame and exaggerate or even lie about their success. I'm writing these so at least some people know. Too many people think their ways are superior and become like them. The fools who follow the fools. I am not writing all these because I feel special. In fact I am hoping that everyone is like me. If I could maybe it is best that everyone had seen God once in their life. I'm certainly not the only person, far from it.

And you Steve I'm done with you. You turn out to be another shallow man. I'm done with small people. Good luck with the rest of your life.

[Skybird]

The bitter truth is that according to all we believe to know, scientifically, any meeting with an alien from another planet would mean that our current knowledge of astronomy and physics is not complete (I'm sure it is far from that, btw.), or false.

Because either ET has come from a planet close enough to allow linear space travel in our understanding, which would mean there are planets carrying intelligent life in our closest neighbourhood in this galaxy, much closer than we assume, and we have not discovered these planets, leaving our observations capacity in shame.

Or ET has come from a damn far away place indeed, in which case linear travel would have been impossible, so his transportation means would make mockery of what we consider to be safe and proven knowledge in physics.

Or he has come from somewhere completely different, a parallel universe, a different dimension, a different time. In which case again we would need to realsie that our physics knowledge is far from complete.

In any of these cases, it would mean that we are in the inferior position, facing ET. And what knowledge do we have that allows us to assume that "they" have not so primtive motives like we humans have, and that we should not be worried about "their" superiority? History books, anyone? Lessons to be learned from them?

-----

Almost all to be seen on this pic, more than 99,999...% - is just empty space, and the matter we get an idea of to exist in the bright spots - again is consisting of just empty space.

And although it is just empty void, this void nevertheless seems to have a superimposed structure.

However, I will not talk anybody into trying to imagine the sheer size and dimension of the void within the "cells" of this structure, formed by superclusters. Because only at times it is a relativisation of our own egos and earthly business. More often, reaching too deep into this void with our imagination, is an experience of sheer horror. Space is not friendly to our lifeform, nor is it a home, or a harbour, or of any comfort. It just is void. And void kills our soul if we stare into it for too long.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Skybird

However, I will not talk anybody into trying to imagine the sheer size and dimension of the void within the "cells" of this structure, formed by superclusters. Because only at times it is a relativisation of our own egos and earthly business. More often, reaching too deep into this void with our imagination, is an experience of sheer horror. Space is not friendly to our lifeform, nor is it a home, or a harbour, or of any comfort. It just is void. And void kills our soul if we stare into it for too long.

Or as Nietzsche would say, when you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you.

Of course, how well that translates from German to English I cannot say.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Castout

I cannot show you God because God showed Himself to whoever He wants.

A good point, but why not show himself to everybody? It would solve a lot of problems. Of course only God can know the answer to that, so it's not a question for which I'm actively looking for an answer, because I know I won't find one.

[qyite]You're assuming that a person can prove you God. Even Moses cannot make God to appear before anyone. If you want the proof of God seek God yourself.[/quote]
I'm not assuming anything.

I have testimonies that I know God but for it to be proof you need to know me otherwise you will just say I'm lying.

Again, I've never once said you were lying. I did say it was funny that you would call someone else's assertion "trash". You essentially said that he was lying. How do you know?

People who took much of my life rely on LIES and if I were to lie just like them I would be the same as them.

For that I am truly sorry, and I would help if I could.

Now I give you a statement that I know what death feels like and it conforms to the bible BUT you wouldn't still consider it the truth as you might say I studied the bible first before coming out with my conclusion UNLESS you knew me beforehand and knew me well.

And you don't know me very well. I don't doubt or question your experiences. I only say that if you want me to believe you some evidence would be nice. If you don't want me to believe you then why tell me about it. I've said many times that I neither believe nor disbelieve, because I don't know.

I have the document that you can read. The testimony itself is just one one page long. It's NOT meant to PROVE my testimony but meant as a testimony that is backed by scripture study. Even when you do not believe the testimony you cannot ignore the scripture pointed. But the question a critical minded person should be asking is without experiencing my testimony or similar to it how does one know the scripture is correct?
That is for God to do not a person.

How does one know the scripture is correct? I don't, which is why I don't place my faith in it. And if a scripture is correct, which one? Many people claim to have the truth, and many of them disagree with each other. Who do I believe? I don't know.

I'm not a liar nor am I crazy.

You may know you're not a liar, but how do you know you're not crazy? I don't know that I'm not crazy, and I think that acknowledging the fact that I might be crazy is the only thing that keeps me sane.

I have witness that can tell you I knew event before they come to pass. BUT you could name anything to that: coincidence, psychic, etc.

Yes, I could. There are many possible answers for those questions. But I won't say that, because I don't know that you're wrong.

Or that I feel what other people feel sometimes. But even that is not controllable and happens when they happen. It is not a power. It gives me understanding that other people are like myself, well most other people. Even that you can call me a psychic instead. SIGH.

I've never seen psychic phenomena either. I don't know that such things exist. You keep thinking I'm calling you a lot of things, and I'm not. You're doing all the thinking, and you're thinking too much. I've never called you any of those things, and I never will. You completely mistake my meaning.

Or that I see NOT with my eyes the invisible beings though RARELY. But how can you prove that when no one seems to be able to realize what I saw and saw rarely and not even with my physical eyes. They'd call that imaginary. I know they are true for good reasons that most people just cannot understand because the experience is shut to them.

Again you're making your own arguments and thinking that is what I think. I don't claim you didn't see those things, I only say I would like to see proof, or see them myself.

I DO NOT expect anyone to believe me. But if they call me a liar they better prove it. I'm perfectly fine with DON'T KNOW.

I can't prove you're lying anymore than you can prove you're telling the truth. The problem I have is that when you say you've seen something it seems to be because you want others to believe you. Since I've never seen these things they are hard to accept. That's not your problem, but it does make it hard to believe.

Skepticism is alright even good but you need CRITICAL skepticism. That means it's not mere sentiment to deem something a lie but an active effort to find whether something is true or otherwise. It's a curiosity and passion to actively find the truth.

A good point. Unfortunately one can look for a lifetime and never find what another says came to him in an instant. You may think I doubt you, but I doubt everything, and that is a curse. I hope you're right, but I live with the fact that I may never know. And if I did see some of the things you say you've seen, the first thing I would do is doubt my own sanity, because the person I trust least is myself.

And you're not being skeptic, You're being insulting and disrespectful. In a word you're being an ass.

How so exactly? The only negative I've given you is to point out that you would deny the same benefit of the doubt to someone else. You called the article "trash". How do you know he's not telling the truth, or at least making the right guess? I compared your claims to his. I don't know whether either one is true or false, but you claim outright that his claim is false. So by your own standard you need to prove that, or else you appear to be all the things you've just called me.

I'm sure large part of it is because you're afraid....afraid that I am right and that fear turns into hate towards me. I am not your problem. The problem is with yourself, you need to come to terms with whatever fear my statements pose to you. It's not me, it's you. I hope you have the courage to be willing to see that.

I'm not afraid of you at all. In fact I'm hoping you're right. I just want to see it. Hate you? I've already said that's not true. I don't know you, I don't fear you, I don't hate you.

Here's an interesting comparison. A couple of years ago I was playing a game with a group of friends, an airwar game played with model airplanes at a local hobby shop. One of them insisted that he would only play a certain period, and told us to call him when we were ready to play in that period. I told him I felt like he was forcing us to do what he wanted. The next thing I knew he was emailing me several times a day telling me what a jerk I was for trying to force him into my mold. I told him it was only my personal feeling, and I could be wrong. It was just the way I felt. His reply was that I was trying to make him into the bad guy, and it was me who needed help not him. I tried to apologize and explained that my feelings were my own and he could be right, and they were only my feelings. His reply to that was to tell me the conversation was over, and he hasn't spoken to me since.

Do you see the pattern here? I've never called you a liar, and I've never said that you didn't see what you say you saw. I did question your honesty in one point, and one point only - that of calling someone else's claim "trash". In all of your ranting and accusations concerning my motives, the one thing you haven't done is address what I actually said. So insisting that it's not you, it's me, is just a little hollow, at least from my point of view.

Do you know why I'm making these statements? Because my enemies have been mocking God and they are very influential with their power and money but shamelessly they use LIES to cover their shame and exaggerate or even lie about their success. I'm writing these so at least some people know. Too many people think their ways are superior and become like them. The fools who follow the fools. I am not writing all these because I feel special. In fact I am hoping that everyone is like me. If I could maybe it is best that everyone had seen God once in their life. I'm certainly not the only person, far from it.

I do feel bad for the situation you live in, and I don't dismiss that at all. As I said, if I can help in any way I would, and I will.

And you Steve I'm done with you. You turn out to be another shallow man. I'm done with small people. Good luck with the rest of your life.

Exactly what have I done to deserve that? You call me names, and I've never done that to you. Do you want an apology? For what? You say it's not you, it's me, but I've tried to have a civil discussion and you've replied with name-calling and accusations, which I've consistently denied. Perhaps you need to look in the mirror instead of blaming me.

But you're done with me, so anything I say will fall on deaf ears, because you're already convinced I hate you and fear you. Your loss, not mine. And I say that because I'd be more than glad to talk to you about anything, and try to reach some common ground. It's easy to call somebody shallow, or small, but I'll always keep the door open to anyone, and not dismiss them easily.