It's like a sci-fi story

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by TarJak

I could have sworn you were crazy when we met in Houston in '08.

And you would be right. But there's a big difference between talking to myself on a regular basis and screaming at myself and bashing my head against the wall.

[kiwi_2005]

"The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets." General Douglas MacArthur

[mapuc]

The videos that I have linked to, could give the impression that I would talk about the end of the world. That's NOT the case here.

I love Sci-fi, wether it's on tv, or in a book.

and those videos is for like an online digital audiobook nothing more nothing less.

But, let us for a second, talk about the "message" in those videos. You can choose from one of thise statement, I have presented below.

1. I believe in everything they say on that video
2. The world is coming to an end one day, but no one knows when
3. The world is gonna remain forever and ever.

I have picked number 2.
I believe the world one day, will get rid of us.

But the main message I delieve in the thread, is about those videos wich I see as an online digital sci-fi audiobook.

So please my beloved friends, do not mock your friends even if they have an another believe

Markus

[Dowly]

If we don't kill ourselves or the Earth get rid of us, the Sun going BIG-BADA-BOOM will, so I'll say #2.

[Raptor1]

Strictly speaking, the planet has a fair chance of remaining intact 'forever' (Not really forever, but close enough that it doesn't matter). It being able to support life for that long is the very unlikely thing.

[mapuc]

I don't wanna start a new thread about the samme issue and why I have lost al type of respect.

It was somewhere in 2008 or 9 I first heard of this 2012 prophercy
Then it was the magnetic north and south poles that was coming to a "flip"
Later some or someone made it more dramatic, now the whole world would tip over and not just the magnetic poles.

Later on someone put an asteroid into the (sry forgot the word, it's a math word)
Later this asteroid was now made inte a planeroid. And would you believe it, now it's become a mini solar system that's on it's way.

They say the whole thing is about to start in Sept-okt and if it's true then we should see those planets

There's a asteroid on it's way, "Elenine" but it's a smal tiny one.

Markus

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by mapuc

There's a asteroid on it's way, "Elenine" but it's a smal tiny one.

Markus

At this point it appears that Comet Elenin is disintegrating.

http://www.universetoday.com/88494/c...isintigrating/

As one journalist noted, perhaps it couldn't handle all the doomsayer publicity.

At this point it appears that Comet Elenin is disintegrating.

http://www.universetoday.com/88494/c...isintigrating/

As one journalist noted, perhaps it couldn't handle all the doomsayer publicity.

Is Elenin booking a place in rehab?

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I've never said you're lying. I've asked you to prove it. There's a huge difference. You could be right. I don't know. But if you're going to say you've seen God, I'd like some evidence. If not, then it's just hearsay. My comment was based on you calling the video's claims "trash". Goose and Gander? Pot and Kettle?

I cannot show you God because God showed Himself to whoever He wants.

You're assuming that a person can prove you God. Even Moses cannot make God to appear before anyone. If you want the proof of God seek God yourself.

I have testimonies that I know God but for it to be proof you need to know me otherwise you will just say I'm lying. I can only testify and some of those testimonies can be proof when they happen ahead of time or when some knowledge involved not having to do with studying the scripture.

I'm 100% confident that I will pass lying detector on the statements I made about God. But that still won't prove I'm speaking the truth but that will prove I'm convinced I'm speaking the truth.

People who took much of my life rely on LIES and if I were to lie just like them I would be the same as them.

Now I give you a statement that I know what death feels like and it conforms to the bible BUT you wouldn't still consider it the truth as you might say I studied the bible first before coming out with my conclusion UNLESS you knew me beforehand and knew me well.
I have the document that you can read. The testimony itself is just one one page long. It's NOT meant to PROVE my testimony but meant as a testimony that is backed by scripture study. Even when you do not believe the testimony you cannot ignore the scripture pointed. But the question a critical minded person should be asking is without experiencing my testimony or similar to it how does one know the scripture is correct?
That is for God to do not a person.

I'm not a liar nor am I crazy.

I have witness that can tell you I knew event before they come to pass. BUT you could name anything to that: coincidence, psychic, etc.

Or that I feel what other people feel sometimes. But even that is not controllable and happens when they happen. It is not a power. It gives me understanding that other people are like myself, well most other people. Even that you can call me a psychic instead. SIGH.

Or that I see NOT with my eyes the invisible beings though RARELY. But how can you prove that when no one seems to be able to realize what I saw and saw rarely and not even with my physical eyes. They'd call that imaginary. I know they are true for good reasons that most people just cannot understand because the experience is shut to them.


I DO NOT expect anyone to believe me. But if they call me a liar they better prove it. I'm perfectly fine with DON'T KNOW.

Skepticism is alright even good but you need CRITICAL skepticism. That means it's not mere sentiment to deem something a lie but an active effort to find whether something is true or otherwise. It's a curiosity and passion to actively find the truth. And you're not being skeptic, You're being insulting and disrespectful. In a word you're being an ass. I'm sure large part of it is because you're afraid....afraid that I am right and that fear turns into hate towards me. I am not your problem. The problem is with yourself, you need to come to terms with whatever fear my statements pose to you. It's not me, it's you. I hope you have the courage to be willing to see that.

Do you know why I'm making these statements? Because my enemies have been mocking God and they are very influential with their power and money but shamelessly they use LIES to cover their shame and exaggerate or even lie about their success. I'm writing these so at least some people know. Too many people think their ways are superior and become like them. The fools who follow the fools. I am not writing all these because I feel special. In fact I am hoping that everyone is like me. If I could maybe it is best that everyone had seen God once in their life. I'm certainly not the only person, far from it.

And you Steve I'm done with you. You turn out to be another shallow man. I'm done with small people. Good luck with the rest of your life.

[Skybird]

The bitter truth is that according to all we believe to know, scientifically, any meeting with an alien from another planet would mean that our current knowledge of astronomy and physics is not complete (I'm sure it is far from that, btw.), or false.

Because either ET has come from a planet close enough to allow linear space travel in our understanding, which would mean there are planets carrying intelligent life in our closest neighbourhood in this galaxy, much closer than we assume, and we have not discovered these planets, leaving our observations capacity in shame.

Or ET has come from a damn far away place indeed, in which case linear travel would have been impossible, so his transportation means would make mockery of what we consider to be safe and proven knowledge in physics.

Or he has come from somewhere completely different, a parallel universe, a different dimension, a different time. In which case again we would need to realsie that our physics knowledge is far from complete.

In any of these cases, it would mean that we are in the inferior position, facing ET. And what knowledge do we have that allows us to assume that "they" have not so primtive motives like we humans have, and that we should not be worried about "their" superiority? History books, anyone? Lessons to be learned from them?

-----

Almost all to be seen on this pic, more than 99,999...% - is just empty space, and the matter we get an idea of to exist in the bright spots - again is consisting of just empty space.

And although it is just empty void, this void nevertheless seems to have a superimposed structure.

However, I will not talk anybody into trying to imagine the sheer size and dimension of the void within the "cells" of this structure, formed by superclusters. Because only at times it is a relativisation of our own egos and earthly business. More often, reaching too deep into this void with our imagination, is an experience of sheer horror. Space is not friendly to our lifeform, nor is it a home, or a harbour, or of any comfort. It just is void. And void kills our soul if we stare into it for too long.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Skybird

However, I will not talk anybody into trying to imagine the sheer size and dimension of the void within the "cells" of this structure, formed by superclusters. Because only at times it is a relativisation of our own egos and earthly business. More often, reaching too deep into this void with our imagination, is an experience of sheer horror. Space is not friendly to our lifeform, nor is it a home, or a harbour, or of any comfort. It just is void. And void kills our soul if we stare into it for too long.

Or as Nietzsche would say, when you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you.

Of course, how well that translates from German to English I cannot say.

[Gargamel]

What I find funny is that the Mayan calendar ending in 2012 only means that they ran out of rock. Nothing else.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Castout

I cannot show you God because God showed Himself to whoever He wants.

A good point, but why not show himself to everybody? It would solve a lot of problems. Of course only God can know the answer to that, so it's not a question for which I'm actively looking for an answer, because I know I won't find one.

[qyite]You're assuming that a person can prove you God. Even Moses cannot make God to appear before anyone. If you want the proof of God seek God yourself.[/quote]
I'm not assuming anything.

I have testimonies that I know God but for it to be proof you need to know me otherwise you will just say I'm lying.

Again, I've never once said you were lying. I did say it was funny that you would call someone else's assertion "trash". You essentially said that he was lying. How do you know?

People who took much of my life rely on LIES and if I were to lie just like them I would be the same as them.

For that I am truly sorry, and I would help if I could.

Now I give you a statement that I know what death feels like and it conforms to the bible BUT you wouldn't still consider it the truth as you might say I studied the bible first before coming out with my conclusion UNLESS you knew me beforehand and knew me well.

And you don't know me very well. I don't doubt or question your experiences. I only say that if you want me to believe you some evidence would be nice. If you don't want me to believe you then why tell me about it. I've said many times that I neither believe nor disbelieve, because I don't know.

I have the document that you can read. The testimony itself is just one one page long. It's NOT meant to PROVE my testimony but meant as a testimony that is backed by scripture study. Even when you do not believe the testimony you cannot ignore the scripture pointed. But the question a critical minded person should be asking is without experiencing my testimony or similar to it how does one know the scripture is correct?
That is for God to do not a person.

How does one know the scripture is correct? I don't, which is why I don't place my faith in it. And if a scripture is correct, which one? Many people claim to have the truth, and many of them disagree with each other. Who do I believe? I don't know.

I'm not a liar nor am I crazy.

You may know you're not a liar, but how do you know you're not crazy? I don't know that I'm not crazy, and I think that acknowledging the fact that I might be crazy is the only thing that keeps me sane.

I have witness that can tell you I knew event before they come to pass. BUT you could name anything to that: coincidence, psychic, etc.

Yes, I could. There are many possible answers for those questions. But I won't say that, because I don't know that you're wrong.

Or that I feel what other people feel sometimes. But even that is not controllable and happens when they happen. It is not a power. It gives me understanding that other people are like myself, well most other people. Even that you can call me a psychic instead. SIGH.

I've never seen psychic phenomena either. I don't know that such things exist. You keep thinking I'm calling you a lot of things, and I'm not. You're doing all the thinking, and you're thinking too much. I've never called you any of those things, and I never will. You completely mistake my meaning.

Or that I see NOT with my eyes the invisible beings though RARELY. But how can you prove that when no one seems to be able to realize what I saw and saw rarely and not even with my physical eyes. They'd call that imaginary. I know they are true for good reasons that most people just cannot understand because the experience is shut to them.

Again you're making your own arguments and thinking that is what I think. I don't claim you didn't see those things, I only say I would like to see proof, or see them myself.

I DO NOT expect anyone to believe me. But if they call me a liar they better prove it. I'm perfectly fine with DON'T KNOW.

I can't prove you're lying anymore than you can prove you're telling the truth. The problem I have is that when you say you've seen something it seems to be because you want others to believe you. Since I've never seen these things they are hard to accept. That's not your problem, but it does make it hard to believe.

Skepticism is alright even good but you need CRITICAL skepticism. That means it's not mere sentiment to deem something a lie but an active effort to find whether something is true or otherwise. It's a curiosity and passion to actively find the truth.

A good point. Unfortunately one can look for a lifetime and never find what another says came to him in an instant. You may think I doubt you, but I doubt everything, and that is a curse. I hope you're right, but I live with the fact that I may never know. And if I did see some of the things you say you've seen, the first thing I would do is doubt my own sanity, because the person I trust least is myself.

And you're not being skeptic, You're being insulting and disrespectful. In a word you're being an ass.

How so exactly? The only negative I've given you is to point out that you would deny the same benefit of the doubt to someone else. You called the article "trash". How do you know he's not telling the truth, or at least making the right guess? I compared your claims to his. I don't know whether either one is true or false, but you claim outright that his claim is false. So by your own standard you need to prove that, or else you appear to be all the things you've just called me.

I'm sure large part of it is because you're afraid....afraid that I am right and that fear turns into hate towards me. I am not your problem. The problem is with yourself, you need to come to terms with whatever fear my statements pose to you. It's not me, it's you. I hope you have the courage to be willing to see that.

I'm not afraid of you at all. In fact I'm hoping you're right. I just want to see it. Hate you? I've already said that's not true. I don't know you, I don't fear you, I don't hate you.

Here's an interesting comparison. A couple of years ago I was playing a game with a group of friends, an airwar game played with model airplanes at a local hobby shop. One of them insisted that he would only play a certain period, and told us to call him when we were ready to play in that period. I told him I felt like he was forcing us to do what he wanted. The next thing I knew he was emailing me several times a day telling me what a jerk I was for trying to force him into my mold. I told him it was only my personal feeling, and I could be wrong. It was just the way I felt. His reply was that I was trying to make him into the bad guy, and it was me who needed help not him. I tried to apologize and explained that my feelings were my own and he could be right, and they were only my feelings. His reply to that was to tell me the conversation was over, and he hasn't spoken to me since.

Do you see the pattern here? I've never called you a liar, and I've never said that you didn't see what you say you saw. I did question your honesty in one point, and one point only - that of calling someone else's claim "trash". In all of your ranting and accusations concerning my motives, the one thing you haven't done is address what I actually said. So insisting that it's not you, it's me, is just a little hollow, at least from my point of view.

Do you know why I'm making these statements? Because my enemies have been mocking God and they are very influential with their power and money but shamelessly they use LIES to cover their shame and exaggerate or even lie about their success. I'm writing these so at least some people know. Too many people think their ways are superior and become like them. The fools who follow the fools. I am not writing all these because I feel special. In fact I am hoping that everyone is like me. If I could maybe it is best that everyone had seen God once in their life. I'm certainly not the only person, far from it.

I do feel bad for the situation you live in, and I don't dismiss that at all. As I said, if I can help in any way I would, and I will.

And you Steve I'm done with you. You turn out to be another shallow man. I'm done with small people. Good luck with the rest of your life.

Exactly what have I done to deserve that? You call me names, and I've never done that to you. Do you want an apology? For what? You say it's not you, it's me, but I've tried to have a civil discussion and you've replied with name-calling and accusations, which I've consistently denied. Perhaps you need to look in the mirror instead of blaming me.

But you're done with me, so anything I say will fall on deaf ears, because you're already convinced I hate you and fear you. Your loss, not mine. And I say that because I'd be more than glad to talk to you about anything, and try to reach some common ground. It's easy to call somebody shallow, or small, but I'll always keep the door open to anyone, and not dismiss them easily.

[Castout]

On why I write those
No no you're mistaken. I'm writing all those NOT so that those who read would believe me. I've told you why: They are statements.(This is the internet and I'm sure even my posts here are monitored by the not so lovely Singapore regime as with my blog-I had Singapore police IP address registered as viewers of my blog)

I'm fully aware that what I wrote might be used by my enemies to say that I am crazy but let me take that risk for a chance to humble their ways. Too many are convinced the only way is by being like them.

On being crazy.
Of course I'm not crazy. A crazy person wouldn't be able to finish a tertiary degree. They wouldn't have any social relationship. They wouldn't be able to even assemble a model kit, read complicated board game rules and play them or even have a chat or conversation with someone well.

On the other hand by ordinary people standard yes I'm absolutely crazy with the things I suggest through those writings. I'm suggesting a living God who can show Himself(albeit indirectly / merely seeing the glory of His light that surrounded Him) . I'm suggesting that there are spirits and people can see them because they can be registered in the mind. Thus I'm suggesting it may be possible to see better without our physical eyes. I'm suggesting God can answer prayer in an instant even if you asked outrageous thing such as your own earthquake. I'm suggesting we are all connected somehow and no consciousness stands alone even between man-animal and man-spirits(invisible beings) aside from between man-man. Thus I'm suggesting it is possible to literally feel what other people are feeling as if we were them and even to know their chain of thoughts, irregardless of distance or even time. I'm suggesting it is even possible to be aware of such connection with not just individuals but with a whole millions of people.

I'm thus suggesting there's A LOT that mankind hasn't uncovered.
Thus I'm crazy enough to have the audacity to bring these experiences as statements and risk being labeled a mad man. I do not care. If I wanted to lie I'd settle with believable lies.

On scripture
Exactly a person started without knowing whether the scripture is true. But I've found that the scripture is a living word of God. Those written in it have powers that hold true even today. To know that the scripture is true, is by knowing God on the personal level, however little. But no one can come to God. God come to whoever He wishes. This leaves even the majority of believers to hang on with just faith. But what men call just faith somehow may be held more valuable to God than men can imagine. But I believe when man try to come to God genuinely God will come to him...in time. Thus I'm suggesting most people are not really true when approaching God or haven't seek enough. Many people think God is only present in their worship places, thus they watch their manners in it but soon forgets about God as soon as they leave the place. They think God only listen or watch when they pray to God, not realizing everything is listened to, felt to, watched over and known to every moment of our life even when we dream. God knows each one of us better than we know ourselves. But this is a realization that must be made on the personal level and when realized it is actually both terrifying and shaming to us. That God is the more intimate than us knowing ourselves. And I say this when I have known that certain people with skills like those described in remote viewing can know another person more intimate than other people. But this is still no where close to God.

On calling the video trash
I have strong reasons that are my own experience to be dare to write those outrageous things I wrote. And those experiences are not bogus because they do have implications and can be used. Anything unreal cannot be used because anything unreal has no value because they are not even real.
I believe in common sense and though what I wrote may seem strange they are still sensible once you accept that God is really there and know what kind of God that He.

Now that common sense, dictates to me that the clip is trash. I've seen the Lord God but I haven't seen alien or any green man. I have known the truth in quite some of the verses in the scripture, personally, and that scripture is also telling me no one would know the end. Thus I take that as assurance that 2012 is bogus. I don't mean there is no possibility of another off world sentient being but until I'm certain I take no statement as true. Maybe I'm in my way to find out. Maybe not. I'm not really seeking to find out whether alien is true. But I'm sure 2012 is not. That is until common sense dictates otherwise. Same with God if common sense dictates that those experiences were bogus I will change my mind. Heck I do not even care if tomorrow everybody believes they are duck. I'm staying mankind. But if tomorrow, my common sense dictates I am a duck then I will be a duck hell care, I know not.

On being crazy.
Of course I'm not crazy. A crazy person wouldn't be able to finish a tertiary degree. They wouldn't have any social relationship. They wouldn't be able to even assemble a model kit, read complicated board game rules and play them or even have a chat or conversation with someone well.

They could and they do.

But I've found that the scripture is a living word of God.

As was already asked...which version?