bomb in oslo

Jimbuna · 07-26-11, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hottentot

Having read the news, I can't say I envy Breivik's lawyer, Lippestad. So he has to* defend a massmurderer and act as his public voice for the media and the people. Gee, what could be easier?

*)As I've understood it, Breivik himself requested Lippestad to defend him and he was obliged to do so. At least today, according to Finnish news, he has stated that he doesn't understand why Breivik chose him. Doesn't sound like a volunteer.

So is an accused allow to pick their defence lawyer and does said defence lawyer not have the right to refuse?

Biggles · 07-26-11, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

So is an accused allow to pick their defence lawyer and does said defence lawyer not have the right to refuse?

What I heard he agreed to take the case, but after spending some time thinking about it. He said something along the lines "It's a most unusual case, and he has already admitted his guilt, but it's an important democratic right for every man or woman to have a defense lawyer". True ofcourse, but I'm sure he secretly loath his defense subject to the bone.

Regarding why he chose him, I read that they "worked in the same building once". I am not sure what this meant.

Jimbuna · 07-26-11, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggles

What I heard he agreed to take the case, but after spending some time thinking about it. He said something along the lines "It's a most unusual case, and he has already admitted his guilt, but it's an important democratic right for every man or woman to have a defense lawyer". True ofcourse, but I'm sure he secretly loath his defense subject to the bone.

Regarding why he chose him, I read that they "worked in the same building once". I am not sure what this meant.

I watched Sky News an hour ago and they are quoting his lawyer as saying "he is mad"

07-26-11, 06:45 PM

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I watched Sky News an hour ago and they are quoting his lawyer as saying "he is mad"

Who, Glenn Beck or the murdering loony?

Jimbuna · 07-26-11, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Who, Glenn Beck or the murdering loony?

Breivik

07-26-11, 07:05 PM

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Breivik

Oh, thats understandable though.
I mean if you had put in all that effort and then had a court tell you to shut up your nonsense and had people laughing at your "manifesto" plus your dad saying you was an idiot who should have killed himself then you would be pretty mad wouldn't you. I bet he is absolutely livid.

VirtualVikingX · 07-27-11, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

So is an accused allow to pick their defence lawyer and does said defence lawyer not have the right to refuse?

Any lawyer can refuse any client; this although has to be based on the ethical guidelines for lawyers in Norway.

Jimbuna · 07-27-11, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Oh, thats understandable though.
I mean if you had put in all that effort and then had a court tell you to shut up your nonsense and had people laughing at your "manifesto" plus your dad saying you was an idiot who should have killed himself then you would be pretty mad wouldn't you. I bet he is absolutely livid.

I should imagine/certainly hope so

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Originally Posted by VirtualVikingX

Any lawyer can refuse any client; this although has to be based on the ethical guidelines for lawyers in Norway.

Then why is the lawyer prepared to carry on with the representation role...this is what I can't understand?

VirtualVikingX · 07-27-11, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Then why is the lawyer prepared to carry on with the representation role...this is what I can't understand?

1. Can anyone else but Lippestad answer that question?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20083524.shtml

2. Somebody has to do it.

3. The idiot may have picked up his name as Lippestad defended a right-wing murder about 10 years ago.

Jimbuna · 07-27-11, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by VirtualVikingX

1. Can anyone else but Lippestad answer that question?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20083524.shtml

2. Somebody has to do it.

3. The idiot may have picked up his name as Lippestad defended a right-wing murder about 10 years ago.

That clears it up for me...thank you

Feuer Frei! · 07-27-11, 09:42 AM

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A POLISH businessman faces up to eight years in prison after being charged for selling chemicals to Norwegian self-confessed killer Anders Behring Breivik, Norway's Dagbladet newspaper reported today. Lukasz Mikus, 32, was charged with public security offenses and faces between six months and eight years in prison, a Polish prosecutor told the newspaper.
Breivik named Mikus's online trading business, based in the southern city of Wroclaw, in his "manifesto" detailing his preparations for last Friday's attack, in which 76 people were killed in a bomb blast in Oslo and shooting at a youth camp on Utoya island.
Mikus told the newspaper that he had no idea that Breivik intended to use his chemicals in a bomb. He described the situation as "a nightmare."
Polish authorities denied reports Monday that it arrested Mikus. But the businessman told the newspaper that he was questioned through Sunday night and Monday after armed police raided his home.

SOURCE

BossMark · 07-27-11, 11:35 AM

Leeds United pay their respects in Norway

http://www.leedsunited.com/news/2011...247585_2403373

kraznyi_oktjabr · 07-27-11, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Then why is the lawyer prepared to carry on with the representation role...this is what I can't understand?

I think that Lippestad saw it better to do it himself than dump this "honour job" to someone else.

Just speculating based on what I would propably would do in this kind of situation. Luckily I'm not lawyer so I'm unlikely to get into this kind of mess...

Feuer Frei! · 07-27-11, 06:09 AM

It is certainly nothing unusual for lawyers to defend, and i will use the term diplomatically, but a client such as this.
Especially if it is a big media trial.
Think of the exposure to the lawyer and the company!
Good for business.
And of course the money surely is not pushed aside.

VirtualVikingX · 07-27-11, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

It is certainly nothing unusual for lawyers to defend, and i will use the term diplomatically, but a client such as this.
Especially if it is a big media trial.
Think of the exposure to the lawyer and the company!
Good for business.
And of course the money surely is not pushed aside.

But this is still a better downside than the alternatives.

07-27-11, 09:42 AM	#11
Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	Update: A POLISH businessman faces up to eight years in prison after being charged for selling chemicals to Norwegian self-confessed killer Anders Behring Breivik, Norway's Dagbladet newspaper reported today. Lukasz Mikus, 32, was charged with public security offenses and faces between six months and eight years in prison, a Polish prosecutor told the newspaper. Breivik named Mikus's online trading business, based in the southern city of Wroclaw, in his "manifesto" detailing his preparations for last Friday's attack, in which 76 people were killed in a bomb blast in Oslo and shooting at a youth camp on Utoya island. Mikus told the newspaper that he had no idea that Breivik intended to use his chemicals in a bomb. He described the situation as "a nightmare." Polish authorities denied reports Monday that it arrested Mikus. But the businessman told the newspaper that he was questioned through Sunday night and Monday after armed police raided his home. SOURCE __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS

07-27-11, 11:35 AM	#12
BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	Leeds United pay their respects in Norway http://www.leedsunited.com/news/2011...247585_2403373 __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now

07-27-11, 06:09 AM	#14
Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	It is certainly nothing unusual for lawyers to defend, and i will use the term diplomatically, but a client such as this. Especially if it is a big media trial. Think of the exposure to the lawyer and the company! Good for business. And of course the money surely is not pushed aside. __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS