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VirtualVikingX · 07-27-11, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Then why is the lawyer prepared to carry on with the representation role...this is what I can't understand?

1. Can anyone else but Lippestad answer that question?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20083524.shtml

2. Somebody has to do it.

3. The idiot may have picked up his name as Lippestad defended a right-wing murder about 10 years ago.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 07-27-11, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Then why is the lawyer prepared to carry on with the representation role...this is what I can't understand?

I think that Lippestad saw it better to do it himself than dump this "honour job" to someone else.

Just speculating based on what I would propably would do in this kind of situation. Luckily I'm not lawyer so I'm unlikely to get into this kind of mess...

Feuer Frei! · 07-27-11, 06:09 AM

It is certainly nothing unusual for lawyers to defend, and i will use the term diplomatically, but a client such as this.
Especially if it is a big media trial.
Think of the exposure to the lawyer and the company!
Good for business.
And of course the money surely is not pushed aside.

VirtualVikingX · 07-27-11, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

It is certainly nothing unusual for lawyers to defend, and i will use the term diplomatically, but a client such as this.
Especially if it is a big media trial.
Think of the exposure to the lawyer and the company!
Good for business.
And of course the money surely is not pushed aside.

But this is still a better downside than the alternatives.

Penguin · 07-27-11, 06:23 AM

from the article Viking posted:

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[The lawyer] confirmed he's a member of the Labor Party but doesn't know whether the suspect is aware.

This is what makes a professional lawyer: being able to put his own feelings toward the defendant aside. Even harder when he certainly hates the guts of his client.

Regarding the public Lippestad gains: this can also backfire on him, if people assume that he has sympathies for the murderer by the fact that he defends him. So this is a two-edged sword.

Feuer Frei! · 07-27-11, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Penguin

This is what makes a professional lawyer: being able to put his own feelings toward the defendant aside. Even harder when he certainly hates the guts of his client.

Staying neutral in cases like this. Yea, makes you wonder wether these people are infact human, doesn't it?
Staying neutral on the outside, but inside burning up with hate and unspeakable feelings of ill wishes i would imagine.

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Regarding the public Lippestad gains: this can also backfire on him, if people assume that he has sympathies for the murderer by the fact that he defends him. So this is a two-edged sword.

Absolutely.
Although i think that in this day and age not a lot of that happens though. Or does it?
I don't recall any noteworthy trials where the public has persecuted and ridiculed a defense lawyer in public. I'm sure someone may be along and point out just the opposite.
From a respect point of view to the victims and the People of Norway, i will from now ON refrain in entering discussions on this topic as i wouldn't be showing respect to them. Just my personal opinion, that is all.

VirtualVikingX · 07-27-11, 06:53 AM

Id like to add that all the victims and also murder victims families will have lawyers appointed to them, free of charge, as per usual in serious cases (rape, murder and so on).

Jimbuna · 07-27-11, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VirtualVikingX

1. Can anyone else but Lippestad answer that question?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20083524.shtml

2. Somebody has to do it.

3. The idiot may have picked up his name as Lippestad defended a right-wing murder about 10 years ago.

That clears it up for me...thank you

Feuer Frei! · 07-27-11, 09:42 AM

Update:

A POLISH businessman faces up to eight years in prison after being charged for selling chemicals to Norwegian self-confessed killer Anders Behring Breivik, Norway's Dagbladet newspaper reported today. Lukasz Mikus, 32, was charged with public security offenses and faces between six months and eight years in prison, a Polish prosecutor told the newspaper.
Breivik named Mikus's online trading business, based in the southern city of Wroclaw, in his "manifesto" detailing his preparations for last Friday's attack, in which 76 people were killed in a bomb blast in Oslo and shooting at a youth camp on Utoya island.
Mikus told the newspaper that he had no idea that Breivik intended to use his chemicals in a bomb. He described the situation as "a nightmare."
Polish authorities denied reports Monday that it arrested Mikus. But the businessman told the newspaper that he was questioned through Sunday night and Monday after armed police raided his home.

SOURCE

BossMark · 07-27-11, 11:35 AM

Leeds United pay their respects in Norway

http://www.leedsunited.com/news/2011...247585_2403373

AVGWarhawk · 07-27-11, 11:55 AM

Look were the accused is spending 21 years!!

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Norway's unrepentant mass killer, Anders Behring Breivik, is now under arrest. And he should count himself lucky for -- if entirely undeserving of -- a penal system in that country that is among the cushiest in the world. There's no capital punishment, and the longest jail term allowed is 21 years (a caveat: if a prisoner is deemed to still be a threat, his sentence can be extended in five-year blocks indefinitely, though it's highly unlikely, according to Norwegian officials). In Norway, rehabilitation is the guiding principle, not punishment -- a somewhat difficult notion to swallow given the gravity and callousness of his crimes.

Its a damn vacation resort!

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/07/25/the_super_lux_super_max

07-27-11, 12:57 PM

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Look were the accused is spending 21 years!!

First impression is what a knee jerk piece.
Second impression says it all.
Look at the article ...Daily Mail....Daily Mail....Daily Mail.
But it does also have a global article which goes...according to the Daily Mail.
Given that parts of fruitcakes "manifesto" read like a Daily Mail article it is a bit rich.
BTW isn't that "super lux" prison the one which lots of criminals beg to get out of after they finally earned the chance to get sent to it.

AVGWarhawk · 07-27-11, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

First impression is what a knee jerk piece.
Second impression says it all.
Look at the article ...Daily Mail....Daily Mail....Daily Mail.
But it does also have a global article which goes...according to the Daily Mail.
Given that parts of fruitcakes "manifesto" read like a Daily Mail article it is a bit rich.
BTW isn't that "super lux" prison the one which lots of criminals beg to get out of after they finally earned the chance to get sent to it.

I do not see where it says daily mail.

Let's try here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ry-prison.html

VirtualVikingX · 07-27-11, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Look were the accused is spending 21 years!!

Its a damn vacation resort!

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/07/25/the_super_lux_super_max

I feel a need to get very vocal in my reply to this post. Ill wait a bit a post later when I'm calm.

(Main point: Do not push caveman style justice on us! However you can do what you want in your own country/state/republic)

Jimbuna · 07-27-11, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by VirtualVikingX

I feel a need to get very vocal in my reply to this post. Ill wait a bit a post later when I'm calm.

(Main point: Do not push caveman style justice on us! However you can do what you want in your own country/state/republic)

Best you ensure you are calm before you post then.

07-27-11, 06:09 AM	#213
Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	It is certainly nothing unusual for lawyers to defend, and i will use the term diplomatically, but a client such as this. Especially if it is a big media trial. Think of the exposure to the lawyer and the company! Good for business. And of course the money surely is not pushed aside. __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS

07-27-11, 09:42 AM	#219
Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	Update: A POLISH businessman faces up to eight years in prison after being charged for selling chemicals to Norwegian self-confessed killer Anders Behring Breivik, Norway's Dagbladet newspaper reported today. Lukasz Mikus, 32, was charged with public security offenses and faces between six months and eight years in prison, a Polish prosecutor told the newspaper. Breivik named Mikus's online trading business, based in the southern city of Wroclaw, in his "manifesto" detailing his preparations for last Friday's attack, in which 76 people were killed in a bomb blast in Oslo and shooting at a youth camp on Utoya island. Mikus told the newspaper that he had no idea that Breivik intended to use his chemicals in a bomb. He described the situation as "a nightmare." Polish authorities denied reports Monday that it arrested Mikus. But the businessman told the newspaper that he was questioned through Sunday night and Monday after armed police raided his home. SOURCE __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS

07-27-11, 11:35 AM	#220
BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	Leeds United pay their respects in Norway http://www.leedsunited.com/news/2011...247585_2403373 __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now

07-27-11, 06:53 AM	#217
VirtualVikingX Captain Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 262 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Id like to add that all the victims and also murder victims families will have lawyers appointed to them, free of charge, as per usual in serious cases (rape, murder and so on).