Ever destroy a ship with all hands?

[Mouftic]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So the vast majority of frigates that were torpedoed blew up due to ammunition explosions and had a high loss of life, and had depth charges explode? That would fit the definition of "normally".

Too many 'ands' in there. I didnt say in all the sinkings the ammunitions would blow AND the depth charges exploded.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So 60% of all frigates torpedoed "and sink" (Mouftic's edit) had magazine explosions, or depth charge detonations? High loss of life? You do need to show actual evidence for a claim like that.

I will be happy to show you that. Like I said before, I am using the Canadian navy to base my claim.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Your first statement was that "Yeah, and normally frigates would have a high death rate because of the size of the ship containaing so much explosives...". That suggests that it was common for the ammunition to explode, causing the high death rate. If that's not how you meant it, I'm sorry for taking it wrong.

Why did you stop the quote... "and even worst if the ship sank and the depth charges were not set to safe mode."


And if I can add to this: "and even when they (Depth charges) were set to safe mode, sometimes they did have malfunctions and would explode anyway."

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Again you're ignoring the fact that I never questioned the eyewitness accounts, just the book's author making a claim (you know, the one you quoted in huge red letters) and providing no reference for it. "In other rapid sinkings"?

He must be claiming that just to add words to his book.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Which ones? Doesn't he document all of them? If he has the fate of every single ship, why not show them?

This is unrealistic on your part. Some ships were lost with all hands, so survivors statements would be hard to get.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Where did you show me that? Were 75% of the crew of every ship that sank lost? Where did I agree with you on that?

Now we are talking about every ship had high death rates?!?! You are making me say stuff I didn't say.

The numbers of death I calculated was "689 dead and 383 survivors..."
I didn't go back and calculate the percentage when iI wrote my post, so I said "almost 75%", after calculating, the exact number is 64.27%.

But i'm pretty sure you did agree right here in post #26.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I can't argue about death rates...

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I didn't say you did. I said you showed examples of it, and I said that there are many more examples of a low death rate. You're arguing with something I didn't say.

Again, I didnt say "every ship" had a high death rate, I said frigates has a whole and saying "many more with low death rates" is a claim you can't back.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Actually I do. I've read too many claims in reference books that turned out to be wrong, and when I see something unsubstantiated, then yes, I do check every source I can. I also write comments to websites when they say something that several sources disagree with. I'm also careful to check when several sources agree, but seem to be quoting each other rather than primary material. I believe in facts, and unless an author provides them I don't trust him.

Well my friend, if that is true then you are the exception to the rule and by saying all that stuff, I would excpect that every claim you say in this forum are backed up by proof... It would be interesting to go check your other 31 000+ posts.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

You should. I'm told that statisticians are fond of saying "Once is not a trend."

Yep, but I showed you more than once.

Like I said before, I will do the research on Canadian vessels that were used for ASW that sank if they had a high death rate and if they would have huge explosion (ammunition exploding) and depth charges blowing up in the water.

But right now I am reading a rather interesting book called: The U-Boat War. The german Submarine Service and the Battle of the Atlantic. 1935-45.

And yes, I am still claiming....

"Yeah, and normally frigates would have a high death rate because of the size of the ship containing so much explosives, and even worst if the ship sank and the depth charges were not set to safe mode."