Arizona Congresswoman Shot in the Head at Public Event

Bubblehead1980 · 01-10-11, 05:47 PM

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I'm sorry,but the person who claimed that the far left was trying to take advantage of this for their own agendas appears to be right.QUOTE]

That person was me and I was basically scorned by the usual people I argue with on here for being "political" and a "hypocrite" when I was in fact pointing out how the left is already using this tragedy to blame those who oppose Obama/Progressive agenda.

I've seen all parts of the left do this so far...the regular citizens , the "Professional Left" on MSNBC and CNN and even heard a couple Lefty politicians make remarks saying this is why gun control is needed and the recent "hate speech" aka speech from those who are against them should be looked at aka find ways to silence them if possible.When the smoke settles from this, we will see attempts to further curb gun and speech rights.Calling someone out for exploiting the death of 6 people and assault of multiple others is not playing politics, it's just the right thing to do.

Takeda Shingen · 01-10-11, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

That person was me and I was basically scorned by the usual people I argue with on here for being "political" and a "hypocrite" when I was in fact pointing out how the left is already using this tragedy to blame those who oppose Obama/Progressive agenda.

I've seen all parts of the left do this so far...the regular citizens , the "Professional Left" on MSNBC and CNN and even heard a couple Lefty politicians make remarks saying this is why gun control is needed and the recent "hate speech" aka speech from those who are against them should be looked at aka find ways to silence them if possible.When the smoke settles from this, we will see attempts to further curb gun and speech rights.

You can't turn it off, even for a day and in the face of tragedy, can you?

Bubblehead1980 · 01-11-11, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

You can't turn it off, even for a day and in the face of tragedy, can you?

Suppose everyone should just take a break and allow the truth about what happened and why to be spun by the left? I would complain about the right if they were doing so also.No one's death should be exploited for political gain.

Hottentot · 01-11-11, 01:52 AM

Help, I can't decide if this is a tragedy or not! Any news I have read haven't answered the most important question that has been bothering me ever since I heard about this:

Was the child in there, in fact, a liberal or a conservative? She was there, wasn't she, so she must have had an opinion. And no excuses about being a child, I don't want to hear them. I really need to know this, so I could decide if I should call this a tragedy or not!

On a more serious note, are there any news about the congresswoman's state? Last I heard there was still at least hope for her, which is much better than nothing, I guess.

krashkart · 01-11-11, 02:47 AM

Hottentot, from what I heard on the national news this evening it sounds like she has a chance of pulling through. It's a wait-and-see, I guess. To your other thoughts: yeah, what a crock. Par for the course.

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Suppose everyone should just take a break and allow the truth about what happened and why to be spun by the left? I would complain about the right if they were doing so also.No one's death should be exploited for political gain.

Bubblehead, I have been watching the news and I am not seeing a lefty attack. Get off your high horse and learn something.

VipertheSniper · 01-11-11, 03:43 AM

First up I'd like to offer my condolonces to all that have lost a loved one in this tragedy.

So this scumbag is mentally ill it appears, how did he get a gun legally? Or is that of no importance, if you're ok in the brain department or not? Or did he just not raise any red flags when they checked (as in, it wasn't known he was mentally ill, at least not to authorities)?
Note: I assume he got his gun legally, as there wasn't anything in the news to suggest otherwise.

I don't want this to turn into a 5 page long debate on the 2nd Amandment, so please, could someone just tell how guns are dealt with in Arizona? All I heard was, that the laws are pretty liberal (in the original sense of the word) concerning guns.

Hottentot · 01-11-11, 03:52 AM

Thanks, krashkart. I just checked the local newspaper and it stated her condition was "critical" but apparently she is still alive and aware of her surroundings. The doctors had asked her to raise two fingers and she had done that.

Oh, and I hope my invisible sarcasm tags in the first two paragraphs were visible enough.

krashkart · 01-11-11, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by VipertheSniper

First up I'd like to offer my condolonces to all that have lost a loved one in this tragedy.

So this scumbag is mentally ill it appears, how did he get a gun legally? Or is that of no importance, if you're ok in the brain department or not? Or did he just not raise any red flags when they checked (as in, it wasn't known he was mentally ill, at least not to authorities)?
Note: I assume he got his gun legally, as there wasn't anything in the news to suggest otherwise.

I don't want this to turn into a 5 page long debate on the 2nd Amandment, so please, could someone just tell how guns are dealt with in Arizona? All I heard was, that the laws are pretty liberal (in the original sense of the word) concerning guns.

I'm not even sure that he was declared psychologically impaired (couldn't think of a better phrase -- see next). In my home state if a person is committed to an institution their name goes on the list of folks that cannot own firearms. Sounds like it was only recently that anyone had begun to worry about his stability. He slipped through before anyone could prevent this from happening.

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Originally Posted by Hottentot

Thanks, krashkart. I just checked the local newspaper and it stated her condition was "critical" but apparently she is still alive and aware of her surroundings. The doctors had asked her to raise two fingers and she had done that.

Oh, and I hope my invisible sarcasm tags in the first two paragraphs were visible enough.

Got my two fingers crossed in hope.

I saw your sarcasm tags right off. No worries, I added a couple of my own to them.

@VipertheSniper - My home state is not Arizona, so not really sure how they handle gun control.

VipertheSniper · 01-11-11, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by krashkart

I'm not even sure that he was declared psychologically impaired (couldn't think of a better phrase -- see next). In my home state if a person is committed to an institution their name goes on the list of folks that cannot own firearms. Sounds like it was only recently that anyone had begun to worry about his stability. He slipped through before anyone could prevent this from happening.

@VipertheSniper - My home state is not Arizona, so not really sure how they handle gun control.

Well if it wasn't known to authorities that he was out of his mind so to say, it doesn't really matter what gun laws there are in Arizona. Even when there is also the requirement to have all your marbles together to own a gun, he would've got it.

gimpy117 · 01-13-11, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by VipertheSniper

First up I'd like to offer my condolonces to all that have lost a loved one in this tragedy.

So this scumbag is mentally ill it appears, how did he get a gun legally? he did not have a criminal history. same Virginia tech shooter. If you have not been committed to a metal facility or went voluntarily you can still buy a gun

Feuer Frei! · 01-13-11, 04:05 AM

Good news:

"Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, shot in Arizona, opens eyes for first time"

"They were in the Arizona Democrat's hospital room when they say she opened her eyes, shortly after she was visited by President Barack Obama."

Source

Bubblehead1980 · 01-11-11, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by krashkart

Hottentot, from what I heard on the national news this evening it sounds like she has a chance of pulling through. It's a wait-and-see, I guess. To your other thoughts: yeah, what a crock. Par for the course.

Bubblehead, I have been watching the news and I am not seeing a lefty attack. Get off your high horse and learn something.

Really? I've heard the talking heads at MSNBC and CNN find ways to blame this on "hate speech" aka the opinions of those who disagree with Obama and the Progressives, every chance they have.

Heard a couple Congressmen talk about "addressing" the "hate speech" and "vitriol" I'm not on a high horse, just know how the lefties are and how they will exploit this as they have many other tragedies to further their agenda.Their agenda usually contradicts the US Constitution, therefore I am worried and everyone else should be.

Takeda Shingen · 01-11-11, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Really? I've heard the talking heads at MSNBC and CNN find ways to blame this on "hate speech" aka the opinions of those who disagree with Obama and the Progressives, every chance they have.

Really? They said that speech against Democrats and Obama should be banned? That's outrageous. We need to do something.

Bubblehead1980 · 01-11-11, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Really? They said that speech against Democrats and Obama should be banned? That's outrageous. We need to do something.

01-11-11, 03:37 PM

Did anyone hear the former Clinton advisor state where it was important for Obama to have an OKC incident to bring the folks back to him?

This was aired in November on MSNBC.

BTW with all the attention devoted to Congresswoman Giffords do you realize a Federal judge was assasinated on Saturday.

By law the accused assasin faces the death penalty.

01-11-11, 01:52 AM	#4
Hottentot Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: My private socialist utopia of Finland Posts: 1,918 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Help, I can't decide if this is a tragedy or not! Any news I have read haven't answered the most important question that has been bothering me ever since I heard about this: Was the child in there, in fact, a liberal or a conservative? She was there, wasn't she, so she must have had an opinion. And no excuses about being a child, I don't want to hear them. I really need to know this, so I could decide if I should call this a tragedy or not! On a more serious note, are there any news about the congresswoman's state? Last I heard there was still at least hope for her, which is much better than nothing, I guess. __________________ Хотели как лучше, а получилось как всегда.

01-11-11, 03:52 AM	#7
Hottentot Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: My private socialist utopia of Finland Posts: 1,918 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Thanks, krashkart. I just checked the local newspaper and it stated her condition was "critical" but apparently she is still alive and aware of her surroundings. The doctors had asked her to raise two fingers and she had done that. Oh, and I hope my invisible sarcasm tags in the first two paragraphs were visible enough. __________________ Хотели как лучше, а получилось как всегда.

01-13-11, 04:05 AM	#11
Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	Good news: "Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, shot in Arizona, opens eyes for first time" "They were in the Arizona Democrat's hospital room when they say she opened her eyes, shortly after she was visited by President Barack Obama." Source __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS

01-10-11, 05:47 PM	#1
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,148 Downloads: 610 Uploads: 44	[QUOTE=TheSatyr;1571423] I'm sorry,but the person who claimed that the far left was trying to take advantage of this for their own agendas appears to be right.QUOTE] That person was me and I was basically scorned by the usual people I argue with on here for being "political" and a "hypocrite" when I was in fact pointing out how the left is already using this tragedy to blame those who oppose Obama/Progressive agenda. I've seen all parts of the left do this so far...the regular citizens , the "Professional Left" on MSNBC and CNN and even heard a couple Lefty politicians make remarks saying this is why gun control is needed and the recent "hate speech" aka speech from those who are against them should be looked at aka find ways to silence them if possible.When the smoke settles from this, we will see attempts to further curb gun and speech rights.Calling someone out for exploiting the death of 6 people and assault of multiple others is not playing politics, it's just the right thing to do.

01-11-11, 03:43 AM	#6
VipertheSniper Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Austria Posts: 1,074 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	First up I'd like to offer my condolonces to all that have lost a loved one in this tragedy. So this scumbag is mentally ill it appears, how did he get a gun legally? Or is that of no importance, if you're ok in the brain department or not? Or did he just not raise any red flags when they checked (as in, it wasn't known he was mentally ill, at least not to authorities)? Note: I assume he got his gun legally, as there wasn't anything in the news to suggest otherwise. I don't want this to turn into a 5 page long debate on the 2nd Amandment, so please, could someone just tell how guns are dealt with in Arizona? All I heard was, that the laws are pretty liberal (in the original sense of the word) concerning guns.

01-11-11, 03:37 PM	#15
The Third Man Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Did anyone hear the former Clinton advisor state where it was important for Obama to have an OKC incident to bring the folks back to him? This was aired in November on MSNBC. BTW with all the attention devoted to Congresswoman Giffords do you realize a Federal judge was assasinated on Saturday. By law the accused assasin faces the death penalty.