Arizona Congresswoman Shot in the Head at Public Event

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

You can't turn it off, even for a day and in the face of tragedy, can you?

Suppose everyone should just take a break and allow the truth about what happened and why to be spun by the left? I would complain about the right if they were doing so also.No one's death should be exploited for political gain.

[Hottentot]

Help, I can't decide if this is a tragedy or not! Any news I have read haven't answered the most important question that has been bothering me ever since I heard about this:

Was the child in there, in fact, a liberal or a conservative? She was there, wasn't she, so she must have had an opinion. And no excuses about being a child, I don't want to hear them. I really need to know this, so I could decide if I should call this a tragedy or not!

On a more serious note, are there any news about the congresswoman's state? Last I heard there was still at least hope for her, which is much better than nothing, I guess.

[krashkart]

Hottentot, from what I heard on the national news this evening it sounds like she has a chance of pulling through. It's a wait-and-see, I guess. To your other thoughts: yeah, what a crock. Par for the course.

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Suppose everyone should just take a break and allow the truth about what happened and why to be spun by the left? I would complain about the right if they were doing so also.No one's death should be exploited for political gain.

Bubblehead, I have been watching the news and I am not seeing a lefty attack. Get off your high horse and learn something.

[VipertheSniper]

First up I'd like to offer my condolonces to all that have lost a loved one in this tragedy.

So this scumbag is mentally ill it appears, how did he get a gun legally? Or is that of no importance, if you're ok in the brain department or not? Or did he just not raise any red flags when they checked (as in, it wasn't known he was mentally ill, at least not to authorities)?
Note: I assume he got his gun legally, as there wasn't anything in the news to suggest otherwise.

I don't want this to turn into a 5 page long debate on the 2nd Amandment, so please, could someone just tell how guns are dealt with in Arizona? All I heard was, that the laws are pretty liberal (in the original sense of the word) concerning guns.

[Hottentot]

Thanks, krashkart. I just checked the local newspaper and it stated her condition was "critical" but apparently she is still alive and aware of her surroundings. The doctors had asked her to raise two fingers and she had done that.

Oh, and I hope my invisible sarcasm tags in the first two paragraphs were visible enough.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by VipertheSniper

First up I'd like to offer my condolonces to all that have lost a loved one in this tragedy.

So this scumbag is mentally ill it appears, how did he get a gun legally? Or is that of no importance, if you're ok in the brain department or not? Or did he just not raise any red flags when they checked (as in, it wasn't known he was mentally ill, at least not to authorities)?
Note: I assume he got his gun legally, as there wasn't anything in the news to suggest otherwise.

I don't want this to turn into a 5 page long debate on the 2nd Amandment, so please, could someone just tell how guns are dealt with in Arizona? All I heard was, that the laws are pretty liberal (in the original sense of the word) concerning guns.

I'm not even sure that he was declared psychologically impaired (couldn't think of a better phrase -- see next). In my home state if a person is committed to an institution their name goes on the list of folks that cannot own firearms. Sounds like it was only recently that anyone had begun to worry about his stability. He slipped through before anyone could prevent this from happening.

Originally Posted by Hottentot

Thanks, krashkart. I just checked the local newspaper and it stated her condition was "critical" but apparently she is still alive and aware of her surroundings. The doctors had asked her to raise two fingers and she had done that.

Oh, and I hope my invisible sarcasm tags in the first two paragraphs were visible enough.

Got my two fingers crossed in hope.

I saw your sarcasm tags right off. No worries, I added a couple of my own to them.



@VipertheSniper - My home state is not Arizona, so not really sure how they handle gun control.

[VipertheSniper]

Originally Posted by krashkart

I'm not even sure that he was declared psychologically impaired (couldn't think of a better phrase -- see next). In my home state if a person is committed to an institution their name goes on the list of folks that cannot own firearms. Sounds like it was only recently that anyone had begun to worry about his stability. He slipped through before anyone could prevent this from happening.

@VipertheSniper - My home state is not Arizona, so not really sure how they handle gun control.

Well if it wasn't known to authorities that he was out of his mind so to say, it doesn't really matter what gun laws there are in Arizona. Even when there is also the requirement to have all your marbles together to own a gun, he would've got it.

[Aramike]

It seems as though Giffords has a chance...

I'm not a man of prayer, but if I were, I'd be begging God to pull her through this.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by VipertheSniper

Well if it wasn't known to authorities that he was out of his mind so to say, it doesn't really matter what gun laws there are in Arizona. Even when there is also the requirement to have all your marbles together to own a gun, he would've got it.

Yeah, you're right. Doesn't really matter what gun laws there are anywhere. Even if he had already been blacklisted he could have found other ways to acquire the weapon and ammunition. The laws restrict what can be sold (and to whom) at legitimate gun dealers, but cannot hold an edge on the black market. They cannot prevent weapons being stolen from legal gun owners, either.

Such a quandary.

Originally Posted by goldorak

Give the politicians weapons and throw them in the arena.
There, no need for political discourse or compromise. Only one wins all.

I wonder if would be anything like the Highlander movies?

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by VipertheSniper

First up I'd like to offer my condolonces to all that have lost a loved one in this tragedy.

So this scumbag is mentally ill it appears, how did he get a gun legally? he did not have a criminal history. same Virginia tech shooter. If you have not been committed to a metal facility or went voluntarily you can still buy a gun

[Feuer Frei!]

Good news:

"Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, shot in Arizona, opens eyes for first time"

"They were in the Arizona Democrat's hospital room when they say she opened her eyes, shortly after she was visited by President Barack Obama."

Source

[Hottentot]

Obama did it . I don't know why, but that quote just made me smile, even if it's true. My first impression (as a non native speaker) was that Obama visited the congresswoman and lo and behold, she got better shortly after that!

Anyway, I'm glad she is getting better. That's at least one less funeral following this massacre, even if it won't bring the rest of the victims back.

[Gerald]

Saying he wants to live up to the dreams of a 9-year-old girl who perished in a Tucson parking lot last weekend, President Obama on Wednesday urged Americans to temper the political discourse now polarizing the public square.

In honoring the heroes and victims of a mass shooting that left six dead and 14 injured, including Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the president directly addressed the ensuing national debate about rhetorical vitriol by pleading with Americans not to "use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on one another."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...orial-service/


Note: Update record, Published January 12, 2011

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Good news:

"Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, shot in Arizona, opens eyes for first time"

"They were in the Arizona Democrat's hospital room when they say she opened her eyes, shortly after she was visited by President Barack Obama."

Source

Unfortunately it is not true. The Sonoran Chronicle reported that Rep. Giffords could open her eyes on Sunday. (The Sonoron has since pulled the article.)


The bullet “traveled the entire length of the brain on the left side,” said Dr. Rhee, Chief Trauma Surgeon at the University Medical Center, at a press conference on Sunday. In terms of being shot in the head, this is “about as good as it’s going to get,” said Rhee.
Giffords can open her eyes, but because she is on a ventilator she can’t speak, said Rhee.

http://sonoranchronicle.com/2011/01/...can-open-eyes/

Edit: More........

Giffords is in a drug-induced coma in intensive care. Doctors frequently awaken her to check her responsiveness, and she could open her eyes and respond to simple commands Sunday - an encouraging sign, said Rhee said.

Posted Jan 9, 2011, 12:40 pm
http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/...ords_condition

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by krashkart

Hottentot, from what I heard on the national news this evening it sounds like she has a chance of pulling through. It's a wait-and-see, I guess. To your other thoughts: yeah, what a crock. Par for the course.




Bubblehead, I have been watching the news and I am not seeing a lefty attack. Get off your high horse and learn something.

Really? I've heard the talking heads at MSNBC and CNN find ways to blame this on "hate speech" aka the opinions of those who disagree with Obama and the Progressives, every chance they have.

Heard a couple Congressmen talk about "addressing" the "hate speech" and "vitriol" I'm not on a high horse, just know how the lefties are and how they will exploit this as they have many other tragedies to further their agenda.Their agenda usually contradicts the US Constitution, therefore I am worried and everyone else should be.