Arizona Congresswoman Shot in the Head at Public Event

[gimpy117]

I don't think freedoms are going to be limited, But i think we need to first take a look at the violence in this nation, and second our support systems for the mentally ill, like this kid. He shouldn't have slipped through the cracks. If somebody would have noticed and helped this kid, this would never have happened.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

OMG!!! This is breaking news!

Mookie agrees with GB on something. The Aztecs were right, the world really is coming to an end.

First Mookie admits he's a socialist, now he agrees with GB on something. So the conclusion I came to is: Mookie is in a political intervention 12-step program. So, by step 12, Mookie will have a Reagan shirt that says "Win one for the Gipper!"

Where's my gold coin?!

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Where's my gold coin?!

In the mail...
The best part is, we didn't even need to put you in the comfy chair.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Party before country also applies to some citizens, not just politicians.

Some of those citizens, can be found on subsim.

It is sad when some people can not deal with life in terms other than a political "us vs. them" concept.

Yup.

Your thoughts represent exactly why I became an Independent.

I'm sick of them both. If i had my way, If i were in any position to do it, id tear both of those parties apart, into confetti sized pieces and flush it down the toilet where they belong.

I am not a Republican nor a Democrat, but an American.

I never was much on hypenation, or hyphenated americans. There is no "whatever-american" Your either an American, or your not.

However, I must strongly object to your last statement. I think it was totally inappropriate...... I like horses.

There's only one horse i like, and it's Red, rest of em ain't s***

[tater]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

I don't think freedoms are going to be limited, But i think we need to first take a look at the violence in this nation, and second our support systems for the mentally ill, like this kid. He shouldn't have slipped through the cracks. If somebody would have noticed and helped this kid, this would never have happened.

Helping the mentally ill is very difficult. You can lock them up, or not. If you favor removing their liberty, then the problem is soluble. If they are to not be institutionalized, it becomes pretty much impossible. People with serious, organic mental illness can only sometimes be treated effectively with meds (and nothing else works at all on issues like schizophrenia). Those that are effectively treated very often take themselves off the drugs as soon as they feel better (since the drugs have terrible side-effects), and without the drugs, it's a nonstop ride back to crazytown.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

You really should start to read some of the posts in this thread. Like for example the one from Ducimus I just quoted

Unfortunately there will always be shallow, arrogant people who are incapable of actual discussion. They come from all sides of every argument, and the bottom line of everything they have to say can be summed up in one simple phrase:

"I'm right and you're stupid!"

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by tater

Helping the mentally ill is very difficult. You can lock them up, or not. If you favor removing their liberty, then the problem is soluble. If they are to not be institutionalized, it becomes pretty much impossible. People with serious, organic mental illness can only sometimes be treated effectively with meds (and nothing else works at all on issues like schizophrenia). Those that are effectively treated very often take themselves off the drugs as soon as they feel better (since the drugs have terrible side-effects), and without the drugs, it's a nonstop ride back to crazytown.

yes, it is a problem...but it's evident he had some serious issues...even schizophrenia. In an odd way, I do not condone the horrendous things he did, but i feel bad that a young man, only 21, was driven by madness to do such unspeakable acts. His life is effectively over.

Yes, he may not have responded to meds for some types of mental illness (i could look it up... negative schizophrenia?) I think his case was obviously bad enough to warrant the side effects of the drugs. but there should have been some type of system to help this poor kid who needed help.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

You can't turn it off, even for a day and in the face of tragedy, can you?

Suppose everyone should just take a break and allow the truth about what happened and why to be spun by the left? I would complain about the right if they were doing so also.No one's death should be exploited for political gain.

[Hottentot]

Help, I can't decide if this is a tragedy or not! Any news I have read haven't answered the most important question that has been bothering me ever since I heard about this:

Was the child in there, in fact, a liberal or a conservative? She was there, wasn't she, so she must have had an opinion. And no excuses about being a child, I don't want to hear them. I really need to know this, so I could decide if I should call this a tragedy or not!

On a more serious note, are there any news about the congresswoman's state? Last I heard there was still at least hope for her, which is much better than nothing, I guess.

[krashkart]

Hottentot, from what I heard on the national news this evening it sounds like she has a chance of pulling through. It's a wait-and-see, I guess. To your other thoughts: yeah, what a crock. Par for the course.

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Suppose everyone should just take a break and allow the truth about what happened and why to be spun by the left? I would complain about the right if they were doing so also.No one's death should be exploited for political gain.

Bubblehead, I have been watching the news and I am not seeing a lefty attack. Get off your high horse and learn something.

[VipertheSniper]

First up I'd like to offer my condolonces to all that have lost a loved one in this tragedy.

So this scumbag is mentally ill it appears, how did he get a gun legally? Or is that of no importance, if you're ok in the brain department or not? Or did he just not raise any red flags when they checked (as in, it wasn't known he was mentally ill, at least not to authorities)?
Note: I assume he got his gun legally, as there wasn't anything in the news to suggest otherwise.

I don't want this to turn into a 5 page long debate on the 2nd Amandment, so please, could someone just tell how guns are dealt with in Arizona? All I heard was, that the laws are pretty liberal (in the original sense of the word) concerning guns.

[Hottentot]

Thanks, krashkart. I just checked the local newspaper and it stated her condition was "critical" but apparently she is still alive and aware of her surroundings. The doctors had asked her to raise two fingers and she had done that.

Oh, and I hope my invisible sarcasm tags in the first two paragraphs were visible enough.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by VipertheSniper

First up I'd like to offer my condolonces to all that have lost a loved one in this tragedy.

So this scumbag is mentally ill it appears, how did he get a gun legally? Or is that of no importance, if you're ok in the brain department or not? Or did he just not raise any red flags when they checked (as in, it wasn't known he was mentally ill, at least not to authorities)?
Note: I assume he got his gun legally, as there wasn't anything in the news to suggest otherwise.

I don't want this to turn into a 5 page long debate on the 2nd Amandment, so please, could someone just tell how guns are dealt with in Arizona? All I heard was, that the laws are pretty liberal (in the original sense of the word) concerning guns.

I'm not even sure that he was declared psychologically impaired (couldn't think of a better phrase -- see next). In my home state if a person is committed to an institution their name goes on the list of folks that cannot own firearms. Sounds like it was only recently that anyone had begun to worry about his stability. He slipped through before anyone could prevent this from happening.

Originally Posted by Hottentot

Thanks, krashkart. I just checked the local newspaper and it stated her condition was "critical" but apparently she is still alive and aware of her surroundings. The doctors had asked her to raise two fingers and she had done that.

Oh, and I hope my invisible sarcasm tags in the first two paragraphs were visible enough.

Got my two fingers crossed in hope.

I saw your sarcasm tags right off. No worries, I added a couple of my own to them.



@VipertheSniper - My home state is not Arizona, so not really sure how they handle gun control.

[VipertheSniper]

Originally Posted by krashkart

I'm not even sure that he was declared psychologically impaired (couldn't think of a better phrase -- see next). In my home state if a person is committed to an institution their name goes on the list of folks that cannot own firearms. Sounds like it was only recently that anyone had begun to worry about his stability. He slipped through before anyone could prevent this from happening.

@VipertheSniper - My home state is not Arizona, so not really sure how they handle gun control.

Well if it wasn't known to authorities that he was out of his mind so to say, it doesn't really matter what gun laws there are in Arizona. Even when there is also the requirement to have all your marbles together to own a gun, he would've got it.

[Aramike]

It seems as though Giffords has a chance...

I'm not a man of prayer, but if I were, I'd be begging God to pull her through this.