PERFECT SIM! What can we make out of SH5/SH3?

[Robin40]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Really? I hate having to drag the little guys back and forth every four hours. I do it anyway because I feel guilty or feel like I'm cheating if I don't, but SH4's auto-crew is much more realistic. That's the way they do it in real life.

you don't have to do it if you activate the 8 hour fatigue GWX mod

The GWX team believes we have found an approach that allows an intuitive approach to managing crew fatigue and stress while limiting the need to have the player intervene in the daily operation of the U-boat in line with real world U-boat operations. In this case, ―fatigue‖reflects the need for sleep and the degradation of human efficiency in a sleep-deprived state as well as ―stress,‖which is what the military called ―battle fatigue‖during World War II and what is known today as ―combat stress reaction.

GWX Manual

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Robin40

you don't have to do it if you activate the 8 hour fatigue GWX mod

I do use the 8-Hour Fatigue. Most of them last about 6, the engine room crew last 4. If a storm comes up the watch and engine crew must be rotated every 2 hours.

I don't like it, but I put up with it because of all the other SH3 goodies.

With SH4 they rotate themselves, which is exactly what they do in real life.

[Robin40]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

With SH4 they rotate themselves, which is exactly what they do in real life.

yep...but it's so boring

and I noticed that they never get fatigued

instead in SH3 after a battle or days of stormy weather crew mng becomes essential

[denis_469]

About question I can say next:
1 - engine SH 5 is very good
2 - very hard made mod with SH 5. In SH 3 game was very good thinking and friendly for modding
3 - main weaks SH3 is (in my see) elderly engine and poor (in this time) grafics.
4 - SH 3 have many (now I have near 900-1000 ships and planes for SH 3) units what made for game. Like this have many land structures and objects made for SH 3. This very large database units can made excellent mods for game. In 2007 year I made my large mod "War Elite v.2.0" with use my data about germane submarine war WWII. And after it mod I can not made nothing more best, then "War Elite v.2.0" so I see game engine limited.
5 - SH 3 have limits in torpedo types in number torpedoes. It's problem can be cancel if rise number torpedoes types defore 1000 (for example). It can help made mods with more countryes (like it was in SH 4). Also SH 3 have limit on submarine types what can cancel if limite rise before 1000 types (for example)
6 - SH 5 have full submarines modelleing, but in my see it's was made before time, so it decision need more then power computers and most peoples in world can not buy sich power computers. In my see UBI need return in to modelling submarine like SH3/4.
7 - UBI need made AI subs what can dive and rise and launch torpedoes like it was in SH 1 (first game Silent hunter series).
8 - In my see UBI need return to graphic SH 3 game. My words base on base my mod "War Elite v.2.0". I see very large problem with weak video card during gaming in mod. It was so good modelling mod have many (few hundreds) various units (land, sea and air) and very large ships/planes routes. Good made mod need in more then hundreds various units for approachuing for reality. Every unit need video memory and every rout need no less then 1 unit and so need video memory.
9 - radio log (and possibility for modding) in SH 3 best then was made for SH4 and SH 5.
10 - UBI (if can made new germane sub sim) need made refueling (receive torpedoes) from submarines and ships in see before ending war patrol like it was in reality, but can not made in SH 3 total (engine limit).
11 - would be best, if UBI made detail patrol log with writing all facts during patrol.
12 - Mixies SH 3 and SH 5 not need, so SH3 have engine limit wat was use total in 2007 year in my mod "War Elite v.2.0". SH 5 not friendly for modding and I not see like can made mode like my "war Elite" in base SH 5 total...

It's my word about question topic autor. It's not all, but I not think, that UBI made SH 6 like normal subsim. So now in this time need to choose between good grafic and good gaming. Weaks computers and large cost modern computers not allow to have both that and other. In my see subsim would be with a stress on simulator, istead on a drawing.

[Hitman]

So your left with SH4 or SH5 as a platform. (unless you don't mind "compatiblity modes" ) The former of which uses good ole, workable dat files, (as opposed to granny), has DDS texture compression, is a campaign writers wet dream ( I suppose SH5 is too, but its much harder to understand), and doesn't include a DRM.

Yes exactly. The biggest problem with SH5 is not just its flaws and bugs, but also that it requires a much higher programming level to be modded. It might be more open, but not for the average modder, only for the ones with a background in software development

1 - engine SH 5 is very good
2 - very hard made mod with SH 5. In SH 3 game was very good thinking and friendly for modding
3 - main weaks SH3 is (in my see) elderly engine and poor (in this time) grafics.
4 - SH 3 have many (now I have near 900-1000 ships and planes for SH 3) units what made for game. Like this have many land structures and objects made for SH 3. This very large database units can made excellent mods for game. In 2007 year I made my large mod "War Elite v.2.0" with use my data about germane submarine war WWII. And after it mod I can not made nothing more best, then "War Elite v.2.0" so I see game engine limited.
5 - SH 3 have limits in torpedo types in number torpedoes. It's problem can be cancel if rise number torpedoes types defore 1000 (for example). It can help made mods with more countryes (like it was in SH 4). Also SH 3 have limit on submarine types what can cancel if limite rise before 1000 types (for example)
6 - SH 5 have full submarines modelleing, but in my see it's was made before time, so it decision need more then power computers and most peoples in world can not buy sich power computers. In my see UBI need return in to modelling submarine like SH3/4.
7 - UBI need made AI subs what can dive and rise and launch torpedoes like it was in SH 1 (first game Silent hunter series).
8 - In my see UBI need return to graphic SH 3 game. My words base on base my mod "War Elite v.2.0". I see very large problem with weak video card during gaming in mod. It was so good modelling mod have many (few hundreds) various units (land, sea and air) and very large ships/planes routes. Good made mod need in more then hundreds various units for approachuing for reality. Every unit need video memory and every rout need no less then 1 unit and so need video memory.
9 - radio log (and possibility for modding) in SH 3 best then was made for SH4 and SH 5.
10 - UBI (if can made new germane sub sim) need made refueling (receive torpedoes) from submarines and ships in see before ending war patrol like it was in reality, but can not made in SH 3 total (engine limit).
11 - would be best, if UBI made detail patrol log with writing all facts during patrol.
12 - Mixies SH 3 and SH 5 not need, so SH3 have engine limit wat was use total in 2007 year in my mod "War Elite v.2.0". SH 5 not friendly for modding and I not see like can made mode like my "war Elite" in base SH 5 total...

-SH4 does already have instant resupply (Milk Cows) without having to reach a base and cock there.

-It also supports many more units,

- And there is a certain AI for torpedoes, as planes do actually drop them (Yes we have plane-dropped FIDOS in the german campaign late in the war!!)

There have been already some close attempts to add AI subs in SH4, IABL has managed one to dive and surface, and IIRC Privateer did too and showcased it with a Type XXIII. I bet that if many talented modders joined forces, some kind of satisfactory wolfpack action could be added to SH4

[denis_469]

Originally Posted by Hitman

-SH4 does already have instant resupply (Milk Cows) without having to reach a base and cock there.

-It also supports many more units,

- And there is a certain AI for torpedoes, as planes do actually drop them (Yes we have plane-dropped FIDOS in the german campaign late in the war!!)

There have been already some close attempts to add AI subs in SH4, IABL has managed one to dive and surface, and IIRC Privateer did too and showcased it with a Type XXIII. I bet that if many talented modders joined forces, some kind of satisfactory wolfpack action could be added to SH4

About SH 4 I know... But question was SH 3 and SH 5.
Planes - not submarine. But total UBI need made new game on base SH 3 with features SH 4 and SH 5...
And if can made germane subsin WWII UBI need insert new secret features like magic eye. Many subs have sich device. And was many other unknow total (now) germane submarine devices. And this device (magic eye) work and with Metox/naxos and with sonars. F.e. radio message "U-185" (07.04.1943) "... also reported that the magic eye still indicates location when this can no longer be detected by acoustic means."

And about SH 4 engine - this engine have similar limits like engine SH 3. And so I not made War Elite in SH 4 engine. SH grafic in best, then SH 3 and so gaming would be poor then SH 3. Engine limits not allow have like in SH 3 engine so grafic SH 4 need more resources....

[rik007]

Originally Posted by denis_469

But total UBI need made new game on base SH 3 with features SH 4 and SH 5...

That is what I hope. A kind of back to basic, ie creating a simulator as close to reality as possible. SH3 has the raw feeling which comes closes to what we percieve as historical reality. The SH3 team did enough effort to get into touch with that, visiting the U-995, interviewing Hardegen (or an other captain). It seems to be lost in SH5. I can remember the total shock when the first screenshots appeared with the periscope-view, the map with the radar like view on ships with red and orange to indicate detection area's. If you remember the discussions on this site (+ mods) to even remove the soundtails from the map in SH3 because they were unrealistic you see how far we drifted away with SH5 from the PERFECT SIM.

[Myxale]

Reading this topic and seeing some of the potential, I started itching for my SH4 discs...

I really hope the modders and fans of SH3-SH4 will come together for a dialog as to what can be done or should...

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Robin40

yep...but it's so boring

and I noticed that they never get fatigued

instead in SH3 after a battle or days of stormy weather crew mng becomes essential

It may be boring to you, but it's less tiresome for most of us, and much more realistic. That said, you're right to want to play it your way. That I think SH4's management is a great improvement is just my opinion, so we can continue to disagree, and have fun doing it.

[Reece]

The main thing that bugged me with SH4 was the U-boat buoyancy, has this been fixed?
I would like to see an open campaign like SH3 with German ports and operation in the Atlantic.
I tried OM but Lurker done a lot of things his way that I and a lot of others didn't like, and is very stubborn to change, however that is his right but I choose not to play it, my prerogative!

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Reece

The main thing that bugged me with SH4 was the U-boat buoyancy, has this been fixed?

What was the uboat buoyancy problem specifically? On rails? Dive too fast? Or the below the 183 meter issue?

[Reece]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

What was the uboat buoyancy problem specifically? On rails? Dive too fast? Or the below the 183 meter issue?

On rails, the boat sort of stayed still while the water moved around it rather than the water move around the boat, plus it was hard to hold the boat level and although in reality the boat had to move to maintain depth it seemed a little overdone, it has been awhile you may have solved most in your mod, I didn't play for long mainly due to the fact that I like the Atlantic with much shorter patrols, plus the PC died and had to reinstall Windows and never bothered to reinstall SH4! The boat in OM dived far too slow!!