First photo of Chinese F-22

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Skybird

That plane will not need "20-30 years" for maiden flight. Underestimating opponents seems to be a typical American habit, eh?

I wasn't basing my time estimate on this one single plane. But rather, when resources start dwindling and we find ourselves in direct competition with them over what resources remain. China will demand them, as will the US, and i don't see neither bending to the will of the other when we reach that point.

(edit: yes, insert obligatory Fallout reference here. lol )

[Skybird]

Of course it is over resources. As Deng Xiao Ping said: "The Mideast has oil, China has rare earths". That the West, namely America as formner majhor miner and distributor of rare earths, has shut down its former capacity to mine for these elements in other nations than China when the Chinese started to enter the market and dump prices (rare earths are anything but rare), does not signal great intelligence. The Americans now try to breathe new life into thewir former company that was running such mines in Bolivia and Africa, but until that attempt'S capacity will make a serious difference to global markets, it is estimated another 12-15 years will come and go, and even then fact remains that while there are other reservoirs of rare earths on the globe, Chiona seem to own the biggest one.

China has spend the past 25 years to buy the loyalty and sympathy of minor countries, MANY minor countries in the third world, by giving them lucrtaiuce business contracts and strengthening trade relations at good conditions, also spening a lot of financial aid. It's bribery by economics. Wetsern companies and American companies on the othe rhand have alienated many third world nations by the ruthless exploitation of their resources and catching the cream.

Ameria can trigger and support coup here and there, occasionally. But if you think they will attack China by military means, you are possibly wrong. And if the dispouted resource fields in the South Chinese Sea gets battled over, I see China already now in the superior military position.

This issue of competing for resources will not be decided the traditional American way (hidden violence, or open war), but the Chinese way: financial and economical conspiracies. They prepared for that by accepting America to fall into that deep dependence from China'S good will regarding certain fincial issues.

This is not so much a military issue, like the US uses to think. It is a thing of economic ties, and financial options.

The greatest idiots here - are the Europeans. They are neither militzarily strong like the US, nor economically and financially strong like the Chinese. The Euro as well as the state bancruptcy caused by overboarding social systems are no shiny examples that will be followed by the rest of the world - like the EU claims -, but is a sounding warning to everybody how NOT to run things. That's why both America and China do not ask them anymore.

I just wish the Chinese would not repeat all those environmental mistakes we have made in the West. If there is one thing they really could learn from us, then: not to repeat these mistakes.

[bookworm_020]

Originally Posted by krashkart

China doesn't buy blueprints, they liberate them from "secure" computers.

Or a trade off for forgiving debt? Blueprints for the F-22 = $100 Billion removed from your debt

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

That is obviously not the next gen Chinese fighter
the next gen is the J-15

funny how they stole the eurofighter too

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Do you think you could defeat the nation that is supplying you with money? If the Chinese wanted to go to war with you they would make damn sure that you don't have the funds to build your F22s in any reasonable number.

And how would they be able to do that?

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

funny how they stole the eurofighter too

Eurofighter is twin engine, the J-10 is a single. Reportedly the J-10 is based a lot on the defunct IAI Lavi jet.

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Eurofighter is twin engine, the J-10 is a single. Reportedly the J-10 is based a lot on the defunct IAI Lavi jet.

but the plane in question is the J15

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

but the plane in question is the J15

the aircraft show was a photoshop of a proposed navalized J-10C variant for the PLAN Carrier.

The J-15 is a copy of the Su-27/33/J-11 and is not related to the J-10.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Platapus

And how would they be able to do that?

By letting global economic andf financial system collapse. They increasingly have won the capability to survive by Asian trade exclusively in time of crisis, they have just decided to chnage their economy politics to leave behind their dependency on US markets for their exports, they have just announced that they have started to massively boost internal demand (which is proven by their figures as well), and since always their countery is fully autark in supplying the population'S needs for food by basic food production and agriculture. Plus they do not plan for maintaining vulnerable and and logistically difficult military presences on the other side of the globe, offcoast of California, not to mention fighting a war with America within viewing range of Vancouver Island, or militarily intervening in Mexico.

[MH]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Eurofighter is twin engine, the J-10 is a single. Reportedly the J-10 is based a lot on the defunct IAI Lavi jet.

Similarity is there but if Chinese engineers where looking for certain aerodynamical solution i don't think they would make deferent looking jet just not to be copycats.
The same may apply to stealth technology.
Optimal solutions may look alike.

[TLAM Strike]

Meanwhile in Luoyang, China...

[krashkart]

They own our networks.

[Schroeder]

@F-117mockup

Their stealth technology must be way beyond ours as I don't see anything even remotely resembling a F117 there.

[krashkart]

It's there alright. Look a little closer.

[TLAM Strike]

See it now?