First photo of Chinese F-22

TLAM Strike · 11-16-10, 10:46 PM

Still a few years from a maiden flight but interesting never the less.

For those who doubt we need the F-22 take note...

Ducimus · 11-16-10, 11:07 PM

So, say in like maybe... i dunno, 20 to 30 years time. What kind of war with china do you think we will be engaged in? I don't think its a question of if, but when, and what kind of war.

TLAM Strike · 11-16-10, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

So, say in like maybe... i dunno, 20 to 30 years time. What kind of war with china do you think we will be engaged in? I don't think its a question of if, but when, and what kind of war.

I think its going to be fought in space and at/under the sea.

Anything on the Ground would be focused on Taiwan, India and maybe Siberia or Indochina.

Other ground actions maybe on Luna if the PRC sets up a base there, if they go under ground or set up defenses there we will have to send in troops, can't just nuke them from orbit.

Spike88 · 11-16-10, 11:41 PM

Space ground combat would suck.
Getting shot in the leg isn't going to kill you on earth. But a Bullet through your space suit would be brutal. Unless we had armored space marine suits.

TLAM Strike · 11-16-10, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike88

Space ground combat would suck.
Getting shot in the leg isn't going to kill you on earth. But a Bullet through your space suit would be brutal. Unless we had armored space marine suits.

^Required!

Then again troops would be moving like Jedi, bouncing off the walls and such. Actually moving more like Drunken Jedi...

I think most of the fighting in hard vacuum will be done in armored vehicles, Infantry dismounting to clear out bases and bunkers or to attack along the lip of a crater.

Buddahaid · 11-17-10, 12:49 AM

Castout · 11-17-10, 01:36 AM

WTF that looks exactly like an F22 though missing the nose cone.

Freiwillige · 11-17-10, 04:44 AM

Sooo who sold them the blueprints? It is an F-22 down to the rivet!!!

So espionage or treason is the culprit. Or a darn good photoshop job.

Skybird · 11-17-10, 05:38 AM

As long as America does not attack China or most vital Chinese interests, any future war will be fought with money and economics. Or better: it already is.

That plane will not need "20-30 years" for maiden flight. Underestimating opponents seems to be a typical American habit, eh?

The thing will perform much better than anyone in the West expected, and will be produced in sufficient quantities for territorial defence. Russia may be hampered by limited budgets and thus builds only small quantities of its latest tank or interceptor - with the Chinese, budget limitations are a bit different. They will spend the money that is needed to give them what they want - but at the same time they will prevent to financially ov erstretch themselves. Quite reasonable. Why should we expect the Chinese to work against their own interest?

The Chinese continue to learn, too, you know - and especially in quality of software engineering, comp0uters and electronics they have closed the gap. Thanks to our idiotic business relations with them, trading them the basic knowhow on which now they have started to improve all by themselves. Short-sighted profit interests and unbelievable naivety on how modernisation of the economy would change human rights have lost us the race in the long run. We still run on, yes, what else should we do. But we are already defeated.

Schroeder · 11-17-10, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

For those who doubt we need the F-22 take note...

Do you think you could defeat the nation that is supplying you with money? If the Chinese wanted to go to war with you they would make damn sure that you don't have the funds to build your F22s in any reasonable number.

the_tyrant · 11-17-10, 06:46 AM

That is obviously not the next gen Chinese fighter
the next gen is the J-15

Raptor1 · 11-17-10, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant

That is obviously not the next gen Chinese fighter
the next gen is the J-15

The J-15 is a carrier-based fighter (Supposedly based off the Su-33), not a replacement to their land-based fighter force, AFAIK.

Your first picture doesn't work, BTW.

Oberon · 11-17-10, 12:20 PM

Probably costs half the F-22s price.

No, all China is interested in is the South China Sea, keep out of that and China will be content to just poke the US with espionage and trade wars.

However, the thing that a lot of people don't take into account with China is that it's a bit like an Armadillo. It's crunchy on the outside and smooth on the inside. It's weak point is the interior where the poor farmers and villagers live and work, so they often decide to send their sons and daughters to the cities on the coasts where the high tech manufacturing jobs are, so the PRC needs to accomodate housing for them and make jobs for them whilst trying to placate the interior so the interior doesn't rise up and overthrow them.
I've been playing the leader of the PRC on a forum based nationsim since August and I've done a fair bit of reading on Chinas economy and social situation and it's not as strong as many people think, however China puts on a good front which convinces the average person that it is all powerful. Yes, it is powerful, but at the same time it has several key vulnerabilities, and if the US were to put tariffs on imports from China it would bone Chinas economy quite nicely, and it would take them longer to recover than it would the US economy to recover if China dumped the excess dollars it has.
The way forward for the PRC is a gradual move towards internal production and self-sufficiency, allowing the Yuan to grow a little at a time so that it doesn't kill the export business and improving the social security so that the interior doesn't decide to rise up and start a second Chinese civil war.
It's tricky, and a tightrope but the options for the US are to either confront them and break them down, which will cost more in manpower and resources than the US would most likely be willing to invest unless they suffered a Pearl Harbour style blow at the beginning of it, or they focus on their own economy and try to work alongside the PRC...but I think we're pretty much engaged on track one now.

Jimbuna · 11-17-10, 12:35 PM

Is that guy in the spacesuit @ #6 wearing a parachute?

krashkart · 11-17-10, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Freiwillige

Sooo who sold them the blueprints? It is an F-22 down to the rivet!!!

So espionage or treason is the culprit. Or a darn good photoshop job.

China doesn't buy blueprints, they liberate them from "secure" computers.

11-16-10, 10:46 PM	#1
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	First photo of Chinese F-22 Still a few years from a maiden flight but interesting never the less. For those who doubt we need the F-22 take note... __________________

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Spike88 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 3,052 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Space ground combat would suck. Getting shot in the leg isn't going to kill you on earth. But a Bullet through your space suit would be brutal. Unless we had armored space marine suits. __________________

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Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	WTF that looks exactly like an F22 though missing the nose cone. __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	As long as America does not attack China or most vital Chinese interests, any future war will be fought with money and economics. Or better: it already is. That plane will not need "20-30 years" for maiden flight. Underestimating opponents seems to be a typical American habit, eh? The thing will perform much better than anyone in the West expected, and will be produced in sufficient quantities for territorial defence. Russia may be hampered by limited budgets and thus builds only small quantities of its latest tank or interceptor - with the Chinese, budget limitations are a bit different. They will spend the money that is needed to give them what they want - but at the same time they will prevent to financially ov erstretch themselves. Quite reasonable. Why should we expect the Chinese to work against their own interest? The Chinese continue to learn, too, you know - and especially in quality of software engineering, comp0uters and electronics they have closed the gap. Thanks to our idiotic business relations with them, trading them the basic knowhow on which now they have started to improve all by themselves. Short-sighted profit interests and unbelievable naivety on how modernisation of the economy would change human rights have lost us the race in the long run. We still run on, yes, what else should we do. But we are already defeated. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 11-17-10 at 06:43 AM.

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	So, say in like maybe... i dunno, 20 to 30 years time. What kind of war with china do you think we will be engaged in? I don't think its a question of if, but when, and what kind of war.

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Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Sooo who sold them the blueprints? It is an F-22 down to the rivet!!! So espionage or treason is the culprit. Or a darn good photoshop job.

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the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	That is obviously not the next gen Chinese fighter the next gen is the J-15

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Probably costs half the F-22s price. No, all China is interested in is the South China Sea, keep out of that and China will be content to just poke the US with espionage and trade wars. However, the thing that a lot of people don't take into account with China is that it's a bit like an Armadillo. It's crunchy on the outside and smooth on the inside. It's weak point is the interior where the poor farmers and villagers live and work, so they often decide to send their sons and daughters to the cities on the coasts where the high tech manufacturing jobs are, so the PRC needs to accomodate housing for them and make jobs for them whilst trying to placate the interior so the interior doesn't rise up and overthrow them. I've been playing the leader of the PRC on a forum based nationsim since August and I've done a fair bit of reading on Chinas economy and social situation and it's not as strong as many people think, however China puts on a good front which convinces the average person that it is all powerful. Yes, it is powerful, but at the same time it has several key vulnerabilities, and if the US were to put tariffs on imports from China it would bone Chinas economy quite nicely, and it would take them longer to recover than it would the US economy to recover if China dumped the excess dollars it has. The way forward for the PRC is a gradual move towards internal production and self-sufficiency, allowing the Yuan to grow a little at a time so that it doesn't kill the export business and improving the social security so that the interior doesn't decide to rise up and start a second Chinese civil war. It's tricky, and a tightrope but the options for the US are to either confront them and break them down, which will cost more in manpower and resources than the US would most likely be willing to invest unless they suffered a Pearl Harbour style blow at the beginning of it, or they focus on their own economy and try to work alongside the PRC...but I think we're pretty much engaged on track one now.